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    1. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      It is very difficult to cast such a wide net in saying iPhone hardware is more secure. You're comparing one phone manufacturer (Apple) to dozens of manufacturers all of which have hundreds of different models. Samsung, HTC, LG, Huawei, Essential, etc.

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    2. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @zeynep

      Also, many of the latest Android phones have a TPM module (hardware) which is basically Apple's "secure enclave". Your statements are false here about hardware.

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    3. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @zeynep

      Now, regarding software, I will admit that Google has a bit of catching up to do. However, most of this is now around phone manufacturers and app developers quietly sending analytics about you to their private servers. It's not as much about malware as it was in 2014-2016.

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    4. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @zeynep

      There are many phone manufacturers and service providers who can install root-level applications on your phone before they sell it to you. These apps quite often are tracking you (GPS, phone calls, etc.) without you knowing. Just ask @fs0c131y ;)

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    5. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @zeynep @fs0c131y

      With the proper know-how, you can remove this junk. But, it shouldn't be allowed in the first place. This is where Apple has a leg up... I think. (We can't be 100% sure, since their software is closed source.)

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    6. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @zeynep @fs0c131y

      There are entire companies who've been built around the idea that you can install root-level applications on phones and these companies (who shall not be named right now), along w/ manufacturers, and service providers are taking advantage of Android users while they can make 💰

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @fs0c131y

      Short of it, for the general, ordinary user, who isn't going to distinguish between the brands and try to figure out all the permissions, is that if they go and buy an iPhone--they are more secure than Android. Advanced users, play as you wish. I deal with the general population!

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @w3bshark @fs0c131y

      It's not that any phone is guaranteed secure, 100%. No such thing. But it seems pretty clear that you have a much more secure environment--from the hardware to the software--in Apple. I'd love for Google/Android ecology to change this. Don't see it.

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    9. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @fs0c131y

      They're actively changing that now. Most Android Phones coming out are fully onboard with Project Treble. And Google Play Protect along with source code verification checks are put in place with ALL existing phones. Times are changing!

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    10. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @zeynep @fs0c131y

      I won't assume that you haven't looked into Google's active work on security, but I would highly suggest reading about Project Treble. This will (in the future) allow releases to be pushed as frequent or more frequent than iOS.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2018
      Replying to @w3bshark @fs0c131y

      When that happens, along with a few other things... I’ll add Pixel as recommendation. When Google wants to do something right, it can. The Android crisis has been ongoing for awhile.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @w3bshark @fs0c131y

          By the way, I recommend U2F security keys is so much that if you search for my book on Amazon, the algorithm shows you a security key as a suggestion. My personal computers are (locked down a bit) Chromebooks. It’s not that Google doesn’t have a great security team.

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        1. Tyler McCraw‏ @w3bshark 27 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @fs0c131y

          "Android crisis"? What do you mean by this?

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