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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Mar 2018

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Toors Denote

      Is this supposed to be reassuring? I mean, I guess I *am* glad that some of the world's best paid people working at a company known for investing billions in moonshots unrelated to its own business occasionally catch *some* of the horrific stuff.https://twitter.com/toorsdenote/status/975430611664977920 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Toors Denote @toorsdenote
      You know those stories because the flawed algorithm went live and was discovered by the public. Now ask yourself, how many more times do you think Google *almost* released something equally horrific, but Googlers caught it and fixed it first?
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Mar 2018

      I know people working in Silicon Valley feel defensive but... of course we want to hold these companies accountable for *all* the horrific stuff. Caught a few before going out to the world? Everyone at every industry does that, every day—with so much less privilege and resources.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Mar 2018

      Google is the second biggest company in the world by market capitalization. (Apple is 1st, Microsoft is 3rd, Amazon is 4th, Facebook is 8th). It invests billions in long-shot projects unrelated to its core business. We catch *some* horrific stuff is a wee bit weak as defense. 😬pic.twitter.com/MhBLC0tezn

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    4. Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)‏Verified account @lizthegrey 19 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      Sure. But hold the companies accountable, rather than yelling at employees for not doing enough.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Mar 2018
      Replying to @lizthegrey

      Companies, like all institutions, are made up of people. Everyone from management down is responsible, in my view in direct proportion to their privilege, power and leverage. Defensiveness in the form of "we catch *some* horrific stuff" is befuddling.

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    6. Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)‏Verified account @lizthegrey 19 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      Macej made a factually incorrect claim that the rank and file employees of Google aren't doing anything/enough. I fully agree that Google management should be held accountable. But I don't think it's fair to say that employees aren't doing anything.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Mar 2018
      Replying to @lizthegrey

      I don't know what any one person individually is doing. But can you imagine this statement from any other industry—let alone one of the most powerful in the world. Teachers: "we occasionally do catch horrific errors in our lectures!" Doctors: "we do catch some medical errors!"

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @lizthegrey

      You wouldn't be satisfied with that from any other industry. I constantly encounter this defensiveness in this form "we are trying!" Sure. No doubt some people are trying hard internally. Still, the systemic situation is pretty clear—and a few people doesn't absolve the industry.

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        1. Liz Fong-Jones (方禮真)‏Verified account @lizthegrey 19 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep

          I'm not disagreeing with you but that's not what MJ's post is about.

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