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    1. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @grubercraft @zeynep

      It’s pretty clear one reason FB failed to clamp down on fake news was that the entire community consensus was FB should not make decisions like that. That consensus was wrong. But it wasn’t only FB that was thinking like that.

      3 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans @grubercraft

      Nope, they were afraid of the political backlash. And there was no such consensus; some people were begging Facebook to crack down on fake news before the election. I believe they thought that Clinton would win (as did everyone) and they would deal with this after the election.

      2 replies 0 retweets 30 likes
    3. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @grubercraft

      ‘Facebook should not decide what I can share’ was an extreme widespread view.

      2 replies 0 retweets 23 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans @grubercraft

      Among some, yes, but it was based on multiple misunderstandings which Facebook perpetuates. One, it already decides what people effectively share (has since newsfeed went algorithmic) but buries that fact, and research shows most people have no idea. But that's not all.

      2 replies 1 retweet 37 likes
    5. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @grubercraft

      I think that’s a profound mis -characterization of what the newsfeed means. It’s like saying a fashion designer decides what we wear, or indeed, that an editor decides what we read. True day to day, misleading on any longer-term scale.

      5 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans @grubercraft

      Fashion designers do not rearrange your closet every time you open it, nor have detailed inventory of your closet, nor can they monopolize the way an online social network can.

      4 replies 3 retweets 77 likes
    7. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @grubercraft

      Also, they sell you fabric. Well done. The point of the metaphor is that it is incomplete to claim Facebook controls what we share, even though they make the product. Just as it is incomplete to claim fashion industry decides what we wear, even though it makes the product.

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans @grubercraft

      I don’t see how fashion, an industry without network effects, asymmetric information, inverted customers/users (fashion sells to us; Facebook to advertisers), monopolistic structure (ads at scale; buy up competition) and without such political power is a good metaphor here.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    9. AJ‏ @houseonaboat 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep @benedictevans @grubercraft

      The common thread is that users have autonomy over what they wear and what they share. If 70 y/o racists share articles about Hillary killing Seth Rich, and you conclude that the issue is Facebook's ability to ~control your mind~, then you're exonerating a large group of people.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. AJ‏ @houseonaboat 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @houseonaboat @zeynep and

      The issue with Facebook is scale -- I don't doubt that -- but the unique network effects of the platform are wildly overstated when a large part of the issue in '16 was people sharing obviously false articles because they believe obviously false things.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @houseonaboat @benedictevans @grubercraft

      There is no claim that demand is irrelevant or Facebook has mind control. Straw argument.

      5:39 PM - 18 Mar 2018
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        2. AJ‏ @houseonaboat 18 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @benedictevans @grubercraft

          AJ Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          it's not a straw man, you literally just argued "Facebook effectively decides what people share." Facebook has some control over our timeline (I concede that), and users decide what they share (true on face) -- so you can't play it both ways.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/975444798638346240 …

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          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Replying to @benedictevans @grubercraft
          Among some, yes, but it was based on multiple misunderstandings which Facebook perpetuates. One, it already decides what people effectively share (has since newsfeed went algorithmic) but buries that fact, and research shows most people have no idea. But that's not all.
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. AJ‏ @houseonaboat 18 Mar 2018
          Replying to @houseonaboat @zeynep and

          The debate is about weights. I'm willing to argue that people who shared obviously fake articles bear more responsibility than Facebook does for allowing those articles to be propagated. But this is a little zero-sum: either FB is all-powerful or there's a bigger rot in society.

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