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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 17 Mar 2018

      Benedict Evans Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Personally I thought it was good that the CSO of a $500bn company was trying to engage in a public, technical conversation about what, specifically, did and did not happen.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/975067185889427456 …

      Benedict Evans added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Facebook's defense that Cambridge Analytica harvesting of FB user data from millions is not technically a "breach" is a more profound & damning statement of what's wrong with Facebook's business model than a "breach".
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      9 replies 17 retweets 154 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans

      Sure. I wasn’t objecting at all to Alex tweeting. That’s not my point above. I agree, this isn’t a security breach in that sense. It’s a structural business model issue. And that’s my point.

      3 replies 1 retweet 52 likes
    3. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 17 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      You said his tweets were a damning indictment. That’s not an objection?

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans

      I’d seen Facebook objection to breach language elsewhere, including allegedly legal threats to stop publication of story—so wasn’t referring to his tweets. That said, I think Alex’s explanation does implicate the business model. How is an ordinary person supposed to consent?

      4 replies 2 retweets 37 likes
    5. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 17 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      This is a strong argument against the openness that almost all academics, journalists and advocates urged on Facebook until very recently.

      1 reply 3 retweets 8 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans

      Nope! You can easily have access to research that provides public info without letting sleazy apps collect friend info. Put people on site! Independence of research, publish without PR approval, no taking data off site. Done. I know many who’d jump at this and contribute a lot.

      2 replies 1 retweet 47 likes
    7. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 17 Mar 2018
      Replying to @zeynep

      It’s not a matter of research, but of innovation around new services. Closing off API access makes that harder and was evil, according to all tech advocates. Same for Apple curating the store - closed! Evil! All the advocacy positions have swung around 180°, which is notable.

      5 replies 2 retweets 26 likes
    8. Jason Gruber‏ @grubercraft 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans @zeynep

      Also seems like you are making a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” argument that is somehow rationalizing fb role that even fb is trying to reconcile (very sloppily).

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    9. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @grubercraft @zeynep

      It’s pretty clear one reason FB failed to clamp down on fake news was that the entire community consensus was FB should not make decisions like that. That consensus was wrong. But it wasn’t only FB that was thinking like that.

      3 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Mar 2018
      Replying to @benedictevans @grubercraft

      Nope, they were afraid of the political backlash. And there was no such consensus; some people were begging Facebook to crack down on fake news before the election. I believe they thought that Clinton would win (as did everyone) and they would deal with this after the election.

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        1. Jason Gruber‏ @grubercraft 18 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @benedictevans

          110%

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        2. Benedict Evans‏Verified account @benedictevans 18 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @grubercraft

          ‘Facebook should not decide what I can share’ was an extreme widespread view.

          2 replies 0 retweets 23 likes
        3. Gady Epstein‏Verified account @gadyepstein 18 Mar 2018
          Replying to @benedictevans @zeynep @grubercraft

          There was also widespread pushback to that widespread view

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