This is awful. I don’t think China would have kicked out Apple. Right now the default is iCloud is on. It’s on Apple to change that default to off in China, and only turn it on after a very very clear warning is presented to the user, with periodic reminders. Lives > convenience.https://twitter.com/rondeibert/status/967401214886363136 …
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When history books are written, this moment will be remembered as a sad, horrible and major turning point. This is the worst possible outcome, and a big one. A lot of downstream effects will come from this, including in more democratic countries, and none of them are good.
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Mandeville
Mainland but this is a major, horrible, historic turning point.https://twitter.com/blueskysinking/status/967412156667850752 …
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Joel Andren
Not at all the same. Not one bit. Also Google didn’t cave then. This is more egregious—what’s at stake is much more than censorship. Much more.https://twitter.com/joelandren/status/967454770830049281 …
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“The basic principle of Chinese privacy law is that the underlying owner of all information about people (and the underlying owner of everything else, really) is the state.” https://www.twitter.com/yonatanzunger/status/967594746167177216 …
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Clay Shirky
Clay says Apple had no leverage. Probably. I’d say they still could’ve said no—come what may. Maybe the idea that the entire industrial base for tech and other industries could just be outsourced with no consequences for our rights wasn’t all justified.https://twitter.com/cshirky/status/967594193731203072?s=21 …
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Clay ShirkyVerified account @cshirkyReplying to @zeynep @bokaneZeynep. China would have kicked out Apple. They just took over Anbang, which is a much bigger deal than ejecting foreign firm. What Apple did is awful, but there is zero leverage -- zero -- in siding with users over the CCP. Apple:China::(Blackberry:India)x100010 replies 30 retweets 72 likesShow this thread -
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No excuse for selling out privacy like that. I don't really understand Clay's apologism here. If they had no leverage and paid the ransom of people's data then they need to seriously rethink their business not just shrug and carry on. As you say: No, come what may
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He’s not apologizing, he’s arguing there’s no leverage.
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It was the use of the 'but' that made it seem like there was nothing that could be done but give in. Happy to be wrong.
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