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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Feb 2018

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted profdeibert

      This is awful. I don’t think China would have kicked out Apple. Right now the default is iCloud is on. It’s on Apple to change that default to off in China, and only turn it on after a very very clear warning is presented to the user, with periodic reminders. Lives > convenience.https://twitter.com/rondeibert/status/967401214886363136 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      profdeibert @RonDeibert
      Apple caves to China. Cryptographic keys to iCloud data to be stored in China, accessible to authorities. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-apple-icloud-insight/apple-moves-to-store-icloud-keys-in-china-raising-human-rights-fears-idUSKCN1G8060 …
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Feb 2018

      When history books are written, this moment will be remembered as a sad, horrible and major turning point. This is the worst possible outcome, and a big one. A lot of downstream effects will come from this, including in more democratic countries, and none of them are good.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Feb 2018

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Mandeville

      Mainland but this is a major, horrible, historic turning point.https://twitter.com/blueskysinking/status/967412156667850752 …

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      John Mandeville @blueskysinking
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      Hong Kong or just Mainland?
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Feb 2018

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Joel Andren

      Not at all the same. Not one bit. Also Google didn’t cave then. This is more egregious—what’s at stake is much more than censorship. Much more.https://twitter.com/joelandren/status/967454770830049281 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Joel Andren @joelandren
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      Ask Google if china would've kicked out Apple
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2018

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      “The basic principle of Chinese privacy law is that the underlying owner of all information about people (and the underlying owner of everything else, really) is the state.” https://www.twitter.com/yonatanzunger/status/967594746167177216 …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2018

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Clay Shirky

      Clay says Apple had no leverage. Probably. I’d say they still could’ve said no—come what may. Maybe the idea that the entire industrial base for tech and other industries could just be outsourced with no consequences for our rights wasn’t all justified.https://twitter.com/cshirky/status/967594193731203072?s=21 …

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      Clay ShirkyVerified account @cshirky
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      Zeynep. China would have kicked out Apple. They just took over Anbang, which is a much bigger deal than ejecting foreign firm. What Apple did is awful, but there is zero leverage -- zero -- in siding with users over the CCP. Apple:China::(Blackberry:India)x1000
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        1. Jon Spackler‏ @Jon__Stone 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep

          Do we need Apple? Thanks for the good ideas and smooth interface but let’s make our own

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        1. hkd‏ @hkd 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep

          apple cash reserves: $285 billion. They could have chosen the right path.

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        2. Josh Connor‏ @JCnutter 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep

          No excuse for selling out privacy like that. I don't really understand Clay's apologism here. If they had no leverage and paid the ransom of people's data then they need to seriously rethink their business not just shrug and carry on. As you say: No, come what may

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @JCnutter

          He’s not apologizing, he’s arguing there’s no leverage.

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        2. Tom Scocca‏ @tomscocca 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep

          When exactly, under that line of argument, do people like Shirky imagine that Apple would gain any more leverage? The choices are open-ended collaboration with an authoritarian state, or exit.

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        3. Tom Scocca‏ @tomscocca 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @tomscocca @zeynep

          We're coming up on 10 full years since China stopped even pretending it would need to liberalize to be an economic superpower.

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        1. beanieman‏ @cyanbeanie 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @SteveBellovin

          Given the level of respect for the privacy of foreigners by American law, Apple should REQUIRE that your iCloud data and keys reside in the same country as you.

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        1. Vertical‏ @schwabsauce 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep

          they're still a few steps ahead. iMessages cannot be decrypted. The compromise is still live. They're lifting Chinese out of poverty, giving them privacy, and investing in their businesses. None of that is derailed.

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        1. Dan McGarry‏Verified account @dailypostdan 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep

          Why would any company do business with a partner willing and able to act arbitrarily toward them? I'm mystified why Apple execs thought that folding was any less dire than walking away. They can say 'we'll lose the market', but evidently they never really had it.

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        2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @zeynep @thegrugq

          Bogus. The luxury image is huge leverage.

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        3. thaddeus e. grugq‏ @thegrugq 1 Mar 2018
          Replying to @RichFelker @zeynep

          But cost of switching in China is cheap, as the mobile experience is WeChat, not the OS, so a lockout for native Android only options would be viable. And the luxury elite would still get their grey market imports at 1.5-2x prices. Even better signaling

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