Correct; they do. But some groups have some (time and time again proven baseless) model that they can be 100% secret.
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Replying to @murakamiwood
The whole argument of wearing masks especially while pushing legal boundaries is you can keep that secret. Always disproven.
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Replying to @zeynep
But groups who wear masks are most conscious of infiltration & surveillance. It's those who trust law & democracy who aren't.
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And yet, they are surveilled and infiltrated - in UK, e.g. Green Party and Campaign Against the Arms Trade - both 'public' orgs.
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Replying to @murakamiwood
That's not always true. A lot of very public activists are public *because* they are so aware of surveillance.
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Replying to @zeynep @murakamiwood
Being more public often focuses on the outcome and harm; most of the mask people are.. not realistic about the state.
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Replying to @zeynep @murakamiwood
Also, yep—every group gets infiltrated. Assuming that to be default is a good way to be in the world; black bloc et al. don't.
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Replying to @zeynep @murakamiwood
The state and the police, not to be underestimated; many summer children running around & being encouraged by romanticization.
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History of the state; history of the police; history of infiltration pretty much says one thing: assume it will happen if+
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..group gets beyond a few youngsters or ever expands or recruits. *That* is wide-eyed realism; painfully learned historically.
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Replying to @zeynep @murakamiwood
Too many have not (yet( lived through a period of deep & wide repression, let alone many. Being wide-eyed realist is needed.
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Are you trying to tell me that everyone who has lived through repression comes to the same political conclusions as you? Come on...
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