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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017

      I keep seeing "deep state"—a concept from Turkey—used a lot in the US context. Like this article. It doesn't work.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/americas/deep-state-leaks-trump.html …

      41 replies 207 retweets 342 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      Permanent bureaucracy and/or non-electoral institutions diverging with the electoral branch not that uncommon even in liberal democracies.

      4 replies 47 retweets 102 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      In the Turkey case, that's not what it means. There was a shadowy, cross-institution occasionally *armed* network conducting killings, etc.

      5 replies 43 retweets 91 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      So, if people are going to call non electoral institutions stepping up leaking stuff, fine. But it is not "deep state" like in Turkey.

      5 replies 54 retweets 108 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      Oh, look, an article that gets the "deep state" stuff right, by talking to an informed Turkey expert! https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/american-deep-state-trump/516780/ …pic.twitter.com/JlYFJnyN2T

      7 replies 160 retweets 247 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017
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      atm I find comparing divergence between electoral and non-electoral institutions to be called a "deep state" a la Turkey kinda... offensive.

      6 replies 21 retweets 79 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted sighmaster

      It doesn't explain the Turkey version at all, though. It misdescribes it. And the coup was totally different beast.https://twitter.com/ixochitl/status/832602322589065216 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      sighmaster @amandacroqueta
      Replying to @zeynep
      i think article was clear that it isn't the *same*, but context for term "deep state" helpful since often used interchangeably w IC
      6:50 AM - 17 Feb 2017
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017
          Replying to @zeynep

          Look, if State Dept teams up with Tony Soprano to create a "terror" attack to blame the administration for.. That's deep state a la Turkey.

          12 replies 51 retweets 111 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Feb 2017
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          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nathan Newman  🧭

          THIS. Leaks are not unalloyed goods but stepped up leaks of wrongdoing to responsible journalists is not deep state.https://twitter.com/nathansnewman/status/832603732898676736 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Nathan Newman  🧭 @nathansnewman
          Using language from actual authoritarian deep states to characterize whistleblowers offense to both US whistleblowers and overseas victims https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/832602428977639424 …
          2 replies 58 retweets 117 likes
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