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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016

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      The #fakenews about Iraqi WMD DID get hundreds of thousands killed. https://twitter.com/peterwsinger/status/806126607740104704 …

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2016

      I bet audience for the current stuff has fairly little concern about the Iraq war failures—why mechanisms impt.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @zeynep

      Even assuming that's true (depending on def of "concern," I'd disagree, esp since these people staff military)... @ThusBloggedA

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

      ... why is it less of a problem that people w/more direct impact on policy consumer their own fake news? @ThusBloggedA

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Didn't say less of a problem. Said different mechanism; conflation obscures what analysis needs to do.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @zeynep

      Does it? If people doing the analysis thereby have luxury of ignoring the fake news they consume, that is problematic @ThusBloggedA

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

      Agree it's critically important to understand different mechanisms by which fake news gets delivered, and to whom. @ThusBloggedA

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

      But the elite frankly loves fake news. Just not the kind that is currently popular among non-elite right now. @ThusBloggedA

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Different points; both are significant issues. Not wanting either forgotten is fine—I just oppose conflating them.

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    10. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @zeynep

      I guess I oppose defining ways such that analysts get to ignore their own short-comings. @ThusBloggedA

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Everyone always wants to ignore shortcomings of their own role & institutions. That's an "and."

      10:15 AM - 6 Dec 2016
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
          Replying to @zeynep

          Yes. But the elite have historically had a lot more control over the choices they exercise. @ThusBloggedA

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Dec 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          Again, I absolutely agree the mechanism is different. But to some degree mechanism is powerful bc of elite failures @ThusBloggedA

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