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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
      Replying to @jonathanstray

      @jonathanstray Not mutually exclusive since the "corrosive logic of business" will increasingly be carried out via computational methods.

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    2. Jonathan Stray‏ @jonathanstray 5 May 2016
      Replying to @zeynep

      @zeynep Indeed. But perhaps the problem here is not "the algorithm" but just the fact they they didn't care. Should they?

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
      Replying to @jonathanstray

      @jonathanstray But, ah, they don't just care. They also want deniability of not having considered the variable. I see that a lot.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
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      @jonathanstray That's why I picked it as example. "oh, it was the computer, not us" shouldn't be okay, especially with such basic stuff.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
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      @jonathanstray (PS, it would have taken them two CSV files—one with their zipcodes, one with census data—and one day to figure this out).

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    6. Jonathan Stray‏ @jonathanstray 5 May 2016
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      @zeynep yes. do they have a (legal or moral) obligation to do this check? that's my question. if yes, then applies even if no algo involved

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
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      @jonathanstray Their response—expanding the service—suggests they don't want to be caught being exclusionary, while their behavior (hiding +

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
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      @jonathanstray ..behind not considering variables) suggests they'd do it if not exposed. So there you go.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
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      @jonathanstray And my concern is this correlate business is much deeper than obvious ones like race. There will be decisions without +

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016
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      @jonathanstray ..consideration unless we adopt a stance of probing what otherwise looks opaque, deliberately or not. That's my beef.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 May 2016

      @jonathanstray After that, once the variables are more explicit, we can have a discussion of what's right and what's wrong.

      9:23 AM - 5 May 2016
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