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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Prof Francois Balloux‏Verified account @BallouxFrancois Jan 6

      Prof Francois Balloux Retweeted Scott Latham, PhD

      A great thread, thought-provoking, thoughtful and empathetic.https://twitter.com/ScoLatham/status/1476637010727161867 …

      Prof Francois Balloux added,

      Scott Latham, PhD @ScoLatham
      It is fashionable to cast aspersions on the working class as as uneducated, ill informed group when looking at their behavior during COVID, e.g., vaccinations, masks. Yet, it has more to do with their lived experience relative to risk – thread – (1/x) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/24/briefing/vaccination-class-gap-us.html …
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @BallouxFrancois

      Except it has almost nothing to do with the reality of the kinds of work people with less education do in the United States. One, it’s almost all service sector, not climbing on stairs you may fall from. Two, construction workers etc. is exactly where it is better regulated.

      10 replies 2 retweets 80 likes
    3. Prof Francois Balloux‏Verified account @BallouxFrancois Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep

      I disagree. First, there are jobs that remain inherently more risky, whatever regulations may be in place. Second, the thread is fundamentally about the (perceived) relative risk of covid. If one's life expectancy is not that high anyway, Covid may well feel less threatening.

      6 replies 0 retweets 56 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @BallouxFrancois

      For average lesser educated worker in the US in the service sector there is no question that Covid is the highest risk they face at work. They are cashiers not fly fishers. Even in construction, his numbers do not work—fatality rate is 10 out of every 100,000, lower than Covid.

      5 replies 0 retweets 30 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

      And I find the idea that people with lower life expectancy due to structural factors are therefore less worried about other risks in their lives under their own control because of relative risk perception to be without any evidence. Doesn’t make sense. Like why?

      12 replies 0 retweets 24 likes
    6. Prof Francois Balloux‏Verified account @BallouxFrancois Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep

      It makes a lot of sense to me that people who have experienced hardship and death may not consider Covid as the sole threat to their lives. But then, I may not have had the typical upbringing, and career path, of the 'standard academic'.

      3 replies 1 retweet 59 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @BallouxFrancois

      Why would they dismiss the threat of Covid because of hardship or death in their lives? I have as far away from a standard academic life or career path as you can likely imagine but why would I think "oh, I didn't die as a teenager therefore I'm not gonna wear a seatbelt now"?

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

      The unvaccinated being poor/uneducated in the US is almost certainly due to lack of trust in the medical system and the institutions of science, and not because they have made some rational risk calculation and decided COVID is small risk—it is a very big risk to them, in fact.

      6 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

      This is like thinking people who put on their seat-belt do so because they are anxiety-ridden and otherwise have very low risks in life. I routinely do research in high-risk protest situations. Of course, I put on my seatbelt on the way there.

      3 replies 0 retweets 19 likes
    10. Prof Francois Balloux‏Verified account @BallouxFrancois Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep

      We seem to be largely talking at cross purposes. Several unrelated propositions can be true. In this instance, relative Covid risk perception may vary between demographies for good reasons, and yet, those who might benefit most from vaccination could be the most reluctant.

      4 replies 0 retweets 44 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @BallouxFrancois

      I agree with the latter. I am simply disagreeing that the mediating role of education is through relative occupational risk calculation. COVID is less risk to more educated who zoom, but more to less-educated in-person service sector—statistically that’s the US working class.

      4:21 PM - 6 Jan 2022
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        1. Lia‏ @Lia_en_UY Jan 6
          Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

          Lia Retweeted Scott Latham, PhD

          That is in the original 🧵. I think the idea is not that there is a large group dismissing the risk but that they contextualize it from a different stand point. For someone working from home and getting things delivered, covid-19 may seem their only risk.https://twitter.com/ScoLatham/status/1476637628552384515 …

          Lia added,

          Scott Latham, PhD @ScoLatham
          It has nothing to do with rationality. Rational or irrational – doesn’t matter – we all have a different risk appetite that are shaped by our lived experiences and contexts. Not suggesting that blue collar workers review risk statistics – they aren’t actuaries. (5/x)
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        1. UK Anti-Populism‏ @secreteducatio1 Jan 6
          Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

          .@zeynep’s points about the US working class are largely true of the UK too - de-industrialization happened in both places. @ScoLatham makes a nice theory, but there’s no way it’s the main reason. A few conversations with people who haven’t taken the vax will show that.

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        2. Oliver9LH‏ @Oliver9LH Jan 6
          Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

          I hope what we can agree upon is that the unvaccinated have been defined in the media by those who are most vocally so. This is far from a representative group.

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        3. CanuckistaniDXB‏ @CanuckistaniDXB Jan 6
          Replying to @Oliver9LH @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

          Who are the most representative then?

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        1. Glenn Horton‏ @GlennHorton1 Jan 7
          Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

          Try.thinking extremes may help, pepple involved in fires may appear to the outside as irrational. However, when viewed from the victims viewpoint they have different information and different priorities due to their circumstances.

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        2. Paul Kirvan‏ @PaulKirvan Jan 7
          Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

          You wear a seatbelt purely because you were brought up that way. There's no thought or risk calculation being done. You'd feel vulnerable without it. If it were a novel technology, then you'd evaluate whether you think there's a real benefit there. But it's not so bad example.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 7
          Replying to @PaulKirvan @BallouxFrancois

          Nope. I’ve done research in protests in Gezi, Istanbul and Tahrir, Cairo, Hong Kong etc. I actually do risk calculation a lot in my work! And I have friends with high-risk lives—dissidents but also spelunkers etc. We didn’t grow up wearing seatbelts in Turkey.

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