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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Prof Francois Balloux‏Verified account @BallouxFrancois Jan 6

      Prof Francois Balloux Retweeted Scott Latham, PhD

      A great thread, thought-provoking, thoughtful and empathetic.https://twitter.com/ScoLatham/status/1476637010727161867 …

      Prof Francois Balloux added,

      Scott Latham, PhD @ScoLatham
      It is fashionable to cast aspersions on the working class as as uneducated, ill informed group when looking at their behavior during COVID, e.g., vaccinations, masks. Yet, it has more to do with their lived experience relative to risk – thread – (1/x) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/24/briefing/vaccination-class-gap-us.html …
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @BallouxFrancois

      Except it has almost nothing to do with the reality of the kinds of work people with less education do in the United States. One, it’s almost all service sector, not climbing on stairs you may fall from. Two, construction workers etc. is exactly where it is better regulated.

      10 replies 2 retweets 80 likes
    3. Prof Francois Balloux‏Verified account @BallouxFrancois Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep

      I disagree. First, there are jobs that remain inherently more risky, whatever regulations may be in place. Second, the thread is fundamentally about the (perceived) relative risk of covid. If one's life expectancy is not that high anyway, Covid may well feel less threatening.

      6 replies 0 retweets 56 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @BallouxFrancois

      For average lesser educated worker in the US in the service sector there is no question that Covid is the highest risk they face at work. They are cashiers not fly fishers. Even in construction, his numbers do not work—fatality rate is 10 out of every 100,000, lower than Covid.

      5 replies 0 retweets 30 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois

      And I find the idea that people with lower life expectancy due to structural factors are therefore less worried about other risks in their lives under their own control because of relative risk perception to be without any evidence. Doesn’t make sense. Like why?

      12 replies 0 retweets 24 likes
    6. Prof Francois Balloux‏Verified account @BallouxFrancois Jan 6
      Replying to @zeynep

      It makes a lot of sense to me that people who have experienced hardship and death may not consider Covid as the sole threat to their lives. But then, I may not have had the typical upbringing, and career path, of the 'standard academic'.

      3 replies 1 retweet 59 likes
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @jo_nur_jo @BallouxFrancois @mmachowecz

      Gimme a break, elderly are among the most vaccinated everywhere, even though they are rarely subject to mandates. People want to write existantialist pieces, fine, but you gotta fit the facts. We're talking about vaccination not heroic measures at end-of-life.

      4:08 PM - 6 Jan 2022
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        2. jo‏ @jo_nur_jo Jan 6
          Replying to @zeynep @BallouxFrancois @mmachowecz

          He is by no means claiming that most people would think that way, but just significantly more than in the west. In fact, his view has been challenged precisely with some of your arguments that it amounts more to distrust in politics, media, medical systems, etc.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
          Replying to @jo_nur_jo @BallouxFrancois @mmachowecz

          At a minimum, your theory has to fit the facts. Western attitude towards the elderly in this pandemic hasn’t been a culturally stoic acceptance of death, or heroic measures to postpone it. We’ve mostly abandoned the elderly and they ran to the vaccines, relatively speaking.

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