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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley Jan 4
      Replying to @David_desJ

      Not sure you know my view. I’m pro reduction to 5 days, but with a recommended testing component. No one is arguing for “dictates.” Also, I join other critics who don’t get why CDC isn’t showing the data they used.

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    2. David desJardins‏ @David_desJ Jan 4
      Replying to @peterstaley

      It’s not really a question that can be determined by “data”. I don’t think that’s a reasonable demand. Also it’s just a recommendation. If you don’t like it, do something different. There’s too much second-guessing of questions that have no clear answers.

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    3. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley Jan 5
      Replying to @David_desJ

      Interesting argument. CDC recommendations should not be critiqued because they’re just recommendations.

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    4. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley Jan 5
      Replying to @peterstaley @David_desJ

      Also, there’s plenty of data (not sure why you think there isn’t). I recommend following @michaelmina_lab, the best there is on COVID rapid tests.

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    5. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley Jan 5
      Replying to @peterstaley @David_desJ @michaelmina_lab

      .@zeynep is also a great person to follow on these issues. She just wrote this amazing op-ed which ditto’s what I’m trying to say re CDC.https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opinion/omicron-covid-testing-cdc.html …

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    6. David desJardins‏ @David_desJ Jan 5
      Replying to @peterstaley @michaelmina_lab @zeynep

      I think this is a terrible article. No, people do have to figure things out on their own, not rely on authorities to tell them what to think. That’s the whole lesson of the AIDS pandemic!!

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    7. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley Jan 6
      Replying to @David_desJ @michaelmina_lab @zeynep

      Oh boy. You really learned the wrong lesson. AIDS was a crisis fueled by government inaction. Start with Randy Shilts, then read @ByDavidFrance.

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    8. David desJardins‏ @David_desJ Jan 6
      Replying to @peterstaley @michaelmina_lab and

      You were there, but to me the lesson of GMHC and ACT UP was that the people affected know better what they need than a govt bureaucracy ever will. You need govt resources, but if you just rely on govt to decide what is needed, that's never going to work.

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    9. Peter Staley‏Verified account @peterstaley Jan 6
      Replying to @David_desJ @michaelmina_lab and

      The AIDS research budget at the NIH tripled during ACT UP’s first three years. I wouldn’t be tweeting to you now if not for massively increased government involvement in the fight against AIDS. You have learned a false lesson from the history of AIDS activism

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    10. David desJardins‏ @David_desJ Jan 6
      Replying to @peterstaley @michaelmina_lab and

      Tufekci's column argues that the CDC should tell the people what to do, and then complains that in her view they get it wrong. I think that's the inevitable result if you rely on someone else. We should decide for ourselves, not expect a govt bureaucracy to tell us what to think.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
      Replying to @David_desJ @peterstaley and

      This is so absurd. You rely on the government to keep you safe every time you go shopping for food. Every prescription pill you have taken. Every time you drive a car. Most of the "buyer beware" people couldn't survive a month in an actual place where you are really on your own.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
          Replying to @zeynep @David_desJ and

          I get this "we'll do it on our own" from many tech people—they conveniently ignore everything they absolutely rely on government and institutions to function, and then argue we should make it even harder for the rest of us, without as much money, to have institutions to rely on.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 6
          Replying to @zeynep @David_desJ and

          (And because they have money, they get a lot of people who hand around but who won't say this to them—classic poisoning of critical thinking. Anyway, I'll take this seriously if any of them actually go really on their own somewhere, for real, without a fortress of excess wealth).

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        2. David desJardins‏ @David_desJ Jan 6
          Replying to @zeynep @peterstaley and

          My local grocery store has tens of thousands of items, and even though some are much better for me than others, the govt mostly doesn't tell me what to eat and when it does it mostly doesn't do it well. If anything, after decades it's doing a worse job of that than about Covid.

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        3. David desJardins‏ @David_desJ Jan 6
          Replying to @David_desJ @zeynep and

          If you rely primarily on govt to tell you what you should eat then you're going to eat way too much of whatever the food industry wants to sell you.

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