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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 4

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Emily Kopp

      Except I wrote one of the earliest articles—hard to miss, in the New York Times—warning about Delta *in May* and my criticism in July was that they were *too late* to react, given UK & Singapore data, and did not need the Provincetown study, without even contact tracing, to act.https://twitter.com/emilyakopp/status/1478358049794498560 …

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      Emily KoppVerified account @emilyakopp
      Revisiting media coverage of the Provincetown study over the summer showing transmission in vaccinated people. Remember how fierce the backlash was from the White House and popular Twitter personalities like @zeynep & @NateSilver538? https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/ … pic.twitter.com/pRMgQU2mKq
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 4

      Amazing. No issues, you could criticize me for being too alarmist on Delta or something, or on any actual paper or position I wrote, but one thinks someone identifying as a *reporter* can bother, you know, looking it up as the New York Times isn't exactly obscure.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 4

      And here's my "backlash" to their reaction to Delta, from my article in that obscure outlet the reporter could not find, pointing out that there had been many technical papers already showing transmission among the vaccinated—and no need to wait for the Provincetown paper.pic.twitter.com/Q8xlantK09

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 4

      Oh, yeah, forgot my July article in that same obscure paper reporter could not find, *before* the Provincetown paper or CDC finally responding to Delta, calling for vaccine mandates as appropriate and other precautions given Delta's threat. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/opinion/coronavius-vaccine-masks.html …pic.twitter.com/4gyHROTPMR

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    5. Chloe Reichel‏ @chloereichel Jan 4
      Replying to @zeynep

      except you also suggested delta would bring an end to the pandemic: "the odds that the pandemic will end because enough people have immunity via getting infected rather than being vaccinated just went way up." https://www.theinsight.org/p/we-need-to-get-real-about-how-the … @emilyakopp

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 4
      Replying to @chloereichel @emilyakopp

      Yeah, still true and *that's terrible*. You realize that's not a prescription, it's a warning? We're still not vaccinating fast enough, globally. Look at what happened in South Africa. Omicron swept through with fewer deaths, but because they *already* had staggering toll.

      6:41 AM - 4 Jan 2022
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        2. Emily Kopp‏Verified account @emilyakopp Jan 4
          Replying to @zeynep @chloereichel

          that's not what herd immunity is

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        3. Dylan Gault‏ @dylan_gault Jan 4
          Replying to @emilyakopp @zeynep @chloereichel

          It's a way to get herd immunity: you kill off everyone susceptible to the disease. Of course, you could change susceptibility through mass vaccinating. But so far, very few jurisdictions have done this.

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        2. Chloe Reichel‏ @chloereichel Jan 4
          Replying to @zeynep @emilyakopp

          you suggest "herd immunity" through mass infection can bring about an end to the pandemic. this theory has not held up.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 4
          Replying to @chloereichel @emilyakopp

          It's one of the ways. With antigenic shift, you can have other forms of transition as well. I recommend the antigenic shift explanation in this essay. (See also pandemic/non-pandemic flu; other HCoVs). Mass infection is a terrible way to acquire immunity.https://www.theinsight.org/p/novelty-means-severity-the-key-to …

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