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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Vanessa Lamers, MESc, MPH‏ @vlamers Jan 2
      Replying to @VaccineJo

      I was thinking about this yesterday. Have we collectively lost the memory of SARS? I wonder if we could have better connected that at the beginning of the pandemic.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. Jo Walker  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @VaccineJo Jan 2
      Replying to @vlamers

      Great point, but be careful throwing around "we", I was 5😂

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Jo Walker  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @VaccineJo Jan 2
      Replying to @VaccineJo @vlamers

      I also think about how we were primed by the memories of 2009 H1N1, which generally had less of an impact than feared, and Ebola and Zika, which had limited impact in the global north.

      3 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    4. Edward Nirenberg‏ @ENirenberg Jan 2
      Replying to @VaccineJo @vlamers

      Yeah this biased me too. I figured it would be like SARS where it might get some spread around the world but with low case numbers overall and good containment. And then everything went to shit

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    5. Jo Walker  🏳️‍⚧️‏ @VaccineJo Jan 2
      Replying to @ENirenberg @vlamers

      I also remember the bits of "good news" that were clung to at the beginning. "No evidence of human-to-human transmission!" (until there was), "No infections of HCWs!" (until there was), "no traveler cases!" (until there was), "no deaths" (until there was)

      2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    6. Edward Nirenberg‏ @ENirenberg Jan 2
      Replying to @VaccineJo @vlamers

      I think a lot about the communication blunders in the beginning. “No asymptomatic transmission” was a huge one. And the airborne thing could have been better explained to the public.

      6 replies 1 retweet 15 likes
    7. Michael Baym‏ @baym Jan 2
      Replying to @ENirenberg @VaccineJo @vlamers

      This entire thing has been one example of mistaking “we don’t have solid evidence of X happening” with “X doesn’t happen” regardless of whether it makes sense. It’s been an abject failure of medicine’s fanatical empiricism

      3 replies 4 retweets 14 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 2
      Replying to @baym @ENirenberg and

      I don’t disagree—a lot of “no evidence that” was “we don’t know, yet”—but the process by which airborne transmission kinda sorta finally got acknowledged also shows a strong tendency to *reject* empirical data as valid until it became overwhelming. It’s more selective empiricism.

      4 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
    9. Edward Nirenberg‏ @ENirenberg Jan 2
      Replying to @zeynep @baym and

      I don't think that's entirely fair. Showing airborne transmission is a dominant mode of spread (as opposed to droplet) is extremely difficult and the paradigmatic dichotomy we had in place didn't help things either.

      4 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    10. Michael Baym‏ @baym Jan 2
      Replying to @ENirenberg @zeynep and

      Though either way we botched it. Many of the same measures (filtration inc masks and circulation) work for both. Also saying despite logic that a mask that didn’t meet the tested N95 fit conditions was as good as no mask was an enormously costly mistake

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep Jan 2
      Replying to @baym @ENirenberg and

      Yeah. Any mask is better than no mask (which started as a recommendation, given the dire shortage for health-care workers) somehow turned into “no difference between masks” the guidance seems to be unable to move from. It’s baffling. It’s 2022!

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        1. Michael Baym‏ @baym Jan 2
          Replying to @zeynep @ENirenberg and

          Omg there are so many things where “It’s baffling. It’s 2022!” works

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