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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Prof. *Dr.* Nausheen R. Shah‏ @nausheenrshah 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Merz @jljcolorado and

      The *original* point was about the dominance of aerosols. Physics settles that question. I don't care what you call them, as long as people understand what you mean. Relevant: what you need to mitigate. Hence stress on N95 mask, air purification/ventilation etc.

      2 replies 2 retweets 49 likes
    2. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @nausheenrshah @jljcolorado and

      Those arguments are a lot stronger. I agree.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Merz @nausheenrshah and

      And we are 100% (or nearly so) in agreement re. broadly deployed mitigations.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Prof. *Dr.* Nausheen R. Shah‏ @nausheenrshah 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Merz @jljcolorado and

      Ok. But again with the qualifier!! What do you not agree with?

      1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
    5. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @nausheenrshah @jljcolorado and

      I think we might disagree about the importance of droplet mitigations *in addition* to aerosol mitigations (some of which overlap) in congregate and clinical settings. I don't think the half-assed droplet mitigations in, e.g., supermarkets, can make any difference at all.

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    6. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Merz @nausheenrshah and

      But we clearly are in lockstep on aerosols. Prior to omicron I'd say that aerosol transmission might have been a major but *perhaps* not dominant mode of transmission. With omicron I'm satisfied that the vast majority of transmission must be airborne.

      11 replies 2 retweets 24 likes
    7. Stephen Marer‏ @marer_stephen 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Merz @nausheenrshah and

      so you get to say you were right before about it not being airborne, now using the transmissibility of O to save face and all of a sudden NOW it’s airborne. Just admit you were wrong the first time. Lots of people were wrong. Like you!

      5 replies 1 retweet 36 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @marer_stephen @Merz and

      I don’t mind the walk-back, the scientists who were making these points from the earliest should, at a minimum, get people to be polite to them and appreciate how much crap they endured—actually owed an apology. Being wrong *and* condescending into almost 2022. That isn’t okay.

      1 reply 6 retweets 80 likes
    9. Jeremy Kamil‏ @macroliter 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @marer_stephen and

      Alex isn’t a good foil for you or a “walk back.” He hasn’t been arguing against airborne. The misconception I object to is one widely held among public & even some “experts” : that SARS2 infectivity doesn’t decay with distance & time from a point source. It’s a virus. Not magic.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @macroliter @marer_stephen and

      Once again, debate has been the *predominant*/major mode, not incidental airborne, only AGP-airborne, only rarely-airborne. It matters because it corresponds to different mitigations. Anyway, honestly the points about infectivity, decay, half-life… Tons of papers. All covered.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @macroliter and

      No point to keep going at it on a thread. *Many* papers, lots of progress & acknowledgement—more to be done. Anyway, people who worked on this from the earliest days made all these points. They deserve, at a minimum, civility. The apology, too, will come, but that’s for history.

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        2. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 21 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @macroliter and

          I look forward to the forced recantations.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Dec 2021
          Replying to @Merz @macroliter and

          We’ll take correct mitigations and a straightforward explanation of why, so people can protect themselves best, and resources into ventilation and better masks, and not to plexiglass, that’s all. It’s a pandemic. Some of us recognize there’s more than one’s ego at stake.

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        2. Jeremy Kamil‏ @macroliter 21 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @marer_stephen and

          Who do you want the apology from? The WHO? I find this so bizarre. This entire thread isn’t an argument with anyone who is saying “No! You’re wrong, it’s all droplet spread!” The sanctimoniousness is fascinating.

          3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Dec 2021
          Replying to @macroliter @marer_stephen and

          I said the people who deserve apologies should get, at a minimum, civility, from people who were wrong about most basic stuff until like yesterday. The rest is for history.

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