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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      To the mention-folk claiming this is anxiety. Do you stop at red lights? Do you slow down around corners? YES COST IS A BARRIER. But if I can take sixty seconds to avoid infecting especially someone vulnerable, why wouldn't I? It's the opposite of anxiety. It's calm and carry-on.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      I think there's an invisible demographic of people, especially among those whose work conditions are more privileged, who have been taking reasonable precautions but really are just carrying on with life, just with extra steps especially to avoid transmission to more vulnerable.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      Yes, I personally write a lot about COVID but it's because this should not be the bastion of the privileged, or those with money, or information—to be able to take reasonable precautions and carry on with life and adjust if something changes. This isn't anxiety, it's privilege.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      Me: "Sure, I slow down around corners, even more so if children are playing around! I get to my destination 60 seconds later than otherwise." You, a realist: "You must be a ball of anxiety, life is full of risks just accept and move on!"

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Owen Barron

      Perfect. It’s very similar to staying home when you’re sick if you’re able to do so. This disease spreads most *right before* you develop symptoms and just then, so this test is equivalent of a cough and a fever warning you that you’re likely to infect others. Calm and carry on.https://twitter.com/ocbarron/status/1471518358617178120 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Owen Barron @ocbarron
      Replying to @AlabamaFan @zeynep @ppiixx
      If your car had either a .001% chance or a 20% chance of hitting another car on any given day, and you had a dashboard indicator to tell you which it was when you turned it on, you bet your ass I would want you staying home when it flashes 20%.
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      And finally, the original person I quoted lives in a country where the cost to him is... zero. I simply wanted to highlight the meaning of the faint line. No, I wouldn't test four times a day unless I suspected exposure or was just trying it out, but the point is obvious.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted sc

      Therapeutics are great for people who need them—some people don't respond to vaccines, some people are high-risk. The potential side effects of any infection *and* those of *every* therapeutic we have greatly exceed any risk we see from the vaccines.https://twitter.com/stepchap/status/1471518573742940161 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      sc @stepchap
      Replying to @zeynep
      You do not mention any therapeutics at all, just vaccines & boosters. The way the media & pandemic social media personalities have been ignoring OTC supplements that reduce hospitalization & morbidity risk on par or greater than the pharma industry is borderline criminal...
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      I'm thrilled about Pfizer's antiviral being available to people, for example, who are immunocompromised or elderly or high-risk even from breakthroughs, for example. One of its components comes with a black box warning, though. Drugs are almost always much riskier than vaccines.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      Main reason people can think this is that the generations before us worked so hard at "disease mitigation"—from sanitation to antibiotics to drugs to vaccines—so that we don't realize what it means. Here's an under five mortality chart over two centuries. https://twitter.com/david_shane/status/1471521792577740801 …pic.twitter.com/gNdYF4xbjZ

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      Amazing how many think it's brave or realistic to whine about doing something so minor to avoid transmitting. You guys aren't storming Omaha Beach on D-Day, you know? Early 2020—when we had no vaccines, drugs, or even PPE—nurses went to work wearing garbage bags. That's bravery.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jeff Stoller

      Yes, pretty much the same logic and the same amount of time commitment. By the way it took a lot of work and effort to get people, including medical doctors of the 19th century, to accept washing hands between patients was necessary for disease mitigation.https://twitter.com/jjstoller/status/1471529036182523908 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Jeff Stoller @jjstoller
      Replying to @david_shane @zeynep
      Bro, you wash your hands after you use the restroom? That’s literally disease mitigation.
      9:29 AM - 16 Dec 2021
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      • Deine Mudda Ian Ragsdale, he/him wear an N95 💚🤍💜 Levi Thatcher SheMac Brian M Carroll Shir Goldbird true blue Kevin McElvaney, PWI Guy
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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Dec 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Billy Quilty

          From the epidemiologist I quoted in the first tweet above, who did a great public service by testing frequently enough to demonstrate temporal the emergence of the line visually. Thank you!https://twitter.com/BQuilty/status/1471532691585740804 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Billy Quilty @BQuilty
          Replying to @zeynep
          Yep, had several exposures including two household ones so started testing daily as is policy in the UK. Late Tuesday I felt a sore throat coming on so I increased frequency to capture the upswing through Wednesday. This is my research area so I thought it would be interesting!
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        2. Jacob‏ @Perrid13 16 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Poor Ignaz had the proof, he showed maternity mortality plummeted when doctors washed their hands, and he was ridiculed into the insane asylum (literally)

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        3. Dr. M. Tullius "No Mercy for Seditionists" Cicero‏ @TulliusCicero43 16 Dec 2021
          Replying to @Perrid13 @zeynep

          And his supervisor chose not to reappoint him to his position at the Vienna General Hospital First Obstetrical Clinic when his term there expired.

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        1. Christopher G‏ @galtenberg 16 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Doctors! That's why I have patience with an entire Western society taking a bit of time getting used to masking. If we build some civilizational memory through new habits, who knows what we could eradicate in a century. Long game. So for now, insistence but also patience.

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        2. Ethan Heppner‏ @Ethan_Heppner 16 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          There's a fundamental difference here though: for regular testing to be an effective measure, people have to be willing to potentially cancel all of their plans for the next ~10 days. While that remains a risk, testing is extraordinarily more "time costly" than handwashing.

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        3. Ethan Heppner‏ @Ethan_Heppner 16 Dec 2021
          Replying to @Ethan_Heppner @zeynep

          Is there a public health benefit to this practice? Certainly, but the costs shouldn't be trivialized, and with endemic Covid a reality, having to potentially do something forever is very different from doing it only in exceptional circumstances.

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