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    1. Zhihua Chen‏ @zhihuachen 14 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zhihuachen @zeynep @MichaelWorobey

      … coming from Liang Wannian that the accountant had some non-fever symptoms on December 8 and that they think the symptom had to do with his eventual confirmed Covid, and on the other hand, as described earlier, the various contemporaneous records that the accountant started …

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    2. Zhihua Chen‏ @zhihuachen 14 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zhihuachen @zeynep @MichaelWorobey

      … having a fever on December 16.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zhihuachen @MichaelWorobey

      As I say in the thread, I appreciate the effort of everyone, but I don't think the first revealed-to-us cases can make that much progress *either way* without some new data, given how China has been stonewalling, and how much of a mess even the WHO list has been the whole time.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @zhihuachen @MichaelWorobey

      I mean, the Wuhan CDC is right next to market with an extensive bat?/virus collection effort itself, and there are so many open questions about it. Alternatively, the market could be the source and have cryptic transmission all the way to unconnected sources, before us noticing.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @zhihuachen @MichaelWorobey

      It takes real effort and investigation to tease out such complicated things, and we don't have it. Seems credible that China knows of other, likely earlier cases, and surely, they've done the blood-bank testing etc. I'm not sure how we confidently conclude much, given censorship.

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    6. Brian Reed‏ @Drinkwater5Reed 14 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @zhihuachen @MichaelWorobey

      As the person who pointed out the dental record was a kid, I think @zhihuachen and @coroldo1 may have a case with the Dec 9 record likewise being a kid based on dosage. Strange coincidence of date and a TCM practitioner should be consulted

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    7. Zhihua Chen‏ @zhihuachen 15 Dec 2021
      Replying to @Drinkwater5Reed @zeynep and

      Quick search of fever plus the first antibiotic they tried and the TCM Reduning - 发热 头孢美矬 热毒宁 turns up tons of results. It’s a common thing they do….

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    8. Zhihua Chen‏ @zhihuachen 15 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zhihuachen @Drinkwater5Reed and

      https://m.chunyuyisheng.com/qa/5Q4-eQ7FHVyGm2TnSOyeRw/ …

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    9. Coroldo1‏ @coroldo1 15 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zhihuachen @Drinkwater5Reed and

      Don't go there, please🥴. U gonna expose unspoken secret of Reduning. It's a 'universal' accompanied drug... It can be used to treat COVID now, and whatever next pathogen(s) will be, it can surely be used to treat that too...... 😛 All u need is 'plausible' data using mouse model

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    10. Zhihua Chen‏ @zhihuachen 15 Dec 2021
      Replying to @coroldo1 @Drinkwater5Reed and

      http://www.ce.cn/cysc/sp/info/201404/30/t20140430_2746795.shtml … This report proves it. 2013 Shenzhen drug adverse event report: 头孢美矬 #2 in reported incidents among antibiotics, 热毒宁 #2 in reported incidents among TCM injection.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zhihuachen @coroldo1 and

      Hey, appreciate how much work you guys do chasing down leads. And also, yeah, antibiotic overuse... But I think the key point with Mr. Chen remains how little we know because we aren't told, and that there are likely many earlier cases anyway. Please do untag me for now! Thanks.

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