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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Michael Worobey

      Plot twist for the Science article that generated many headlines about the initial known case being connected to the Wuhan market. As author graciously acknowledges here, the internet researchers—so-called sleuths—have shown the claim to be wrong. Will there be new headlines?https://twitter.com/MichaelWorobey/status/1470159029997428736 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Michael Worobey @MichaelWorobey
      I think the jury is still out. But I think the idea that the Dec 8 date came from Mr Chen having a dental problem is very likely incorrect, and I will be in touch with Science to correct the record. 17/
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021

      But more. If you read his thread, he correctly points out first *known* case isn’t that dispositive. But that’s not how the media coverage played out. It will be interesting to see if what they considered so important before is seen as just as important now that it is reversed.

      4 replies 6 retweets 86 likes
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021

      There was credible reporting China knows of November cases. What little they told us of December cases is contradictory, incoherent and incomplete. I don’t think it’s possible to make sound conclusions. Their scientists long said market was an amplifying event. But we don’t know.

      5 replies 10 retweets 107 likes
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    4. Jonathan M. Katz‏Verified account @KatzOnEarth 12 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      This seems important.pic.twitter.com/EpgN25Sa1S

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021
      Replying to @KatzOnEarth

      Also compatible with market being an amplifying event—as Chinese scientist long claimed. Or China hiding cases—the list they gave still doesn’t make sense, has unexplained issues. Or Wuhan CDC with lab, few hundreds yards from that market being involved. Or market being source.

      2 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @KatzOnEarth

      Someone find those credibly reported November cases, that would help. Motivated reasoning, not so much.

      8:09 PM - 12 Dec 2021
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        2. Stephen Westwood‏ @Fullyfallible 12 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @KatzOnEarth

          This is just one of many great divides among the 'tribes of covid'. Various motivations to lean towards lableak, some more respectable than others. Including the old seductively tragic symmetry of "Science, in its efforts to ease the human condition, doing exactly the opposite"?

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        3. Stephen Westwood‏ @Fullyfallible 12 Dec 2021
          Replying to @Fullyfallible @zeynep @KatzOnEarth

          I'd much rather worry about a pandemic, for example, than about the carbon catastrophe. The pandemic (which may yet kill me) seems a wonderfully tractable set of problems. When I'm forced to think about carbon, Victor Frankenstein and Henry Jekyll promptly enter the chat..

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