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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Dec 2021

      Kudos to Taiwan for transparency. Lab researcher (bitten by mice) got infected with Sars-Cov-2. Unfortunately, it was not reported to relevant authorities as it should have been. Fortunately, researcher vaccinated and case got caught later, so no outbreak. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/12/12/2003769455 …pic.twitter.com/l5uBx97knF

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Dec 2021

      (This is different scenario than a virus that’s not known about or is novel—researcher already vaccinated against it, lab has specific tests for it so can identify in time, etc. The threat was a local outbreak in otherwise no COVID Taiwan.)

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Robert Woolley

      I’d say definitely avoid bat bites. (Bat field researchers I interviewed said they made their protocols more strict after the pandemic). Remember this was a lab researching viruses, and it’s likely that this is a mouse model—it’s genetically modified, not the regular critter.🐭https://twitter.com/RandomlyBob/status/1469860303571763207 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Robert Woolley @RandomlyBob
      Oh, great. Now we have to avoid mouse bites, too? https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1469859128269017088 …
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Alison Young

      Also note, even in a democracy with transparency, this is how this lab infection went down. Aviation has no-fault, no blame mishap reporting because of this thorny problem—to not report and hope for the best is a very human impulse. (Again known virus, no pandemic threat here).https://twitter.com/alisonannyoung/status/1469292778215591942 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Alison YoungVerified account @alisonannyoung
      The infected scientist “resigned from her position on Dec. 3, meaning that she quit her job and went straight into the community while already exhibiting symptoms. She did not report these symptoms for five more days, missing an opportunity to catch her infection sooner.”
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Name and Random Numbers

      They're looking into it. Could also be cross-contamination. Point is one should track these and not assume "everything will be fine"—as her supervisor seems to have done? If she had not been symptomatic, she might have transmitted and and we'd never know.https://twitter.com/HereToLearnFrom/status/1469862526569656321 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Name and Random Numbers @HereToLearnFrom
      Replying to @zeynep
      Do they think that the infection was transmitted through the bite?
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    6. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 12 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I think it’s very unlikely she was infected via the mouse bite. Vanishingly unlikely in fact.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst

      Wouldn't disagree! They are looking into it, as noted in the tweet you reply. I think the key here is the need to report all these things, and also not ignore incidents, and then resign and ignore symptoms for many days. Kudos to their transparency, but also highlights an issue.

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        2. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 12 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Agreed

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 12 Dec 2021
          Replying to @stgoldst

          Aviation is really interesting in this way... They had the same problems—very human to talk yourself into it's probably nothing. They have a global culture and rules of no-blame reporting, people practically raised up for doing so even after a screw-up. It's something to ponder.

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        1. Name and Random Numbers‏ @HereToLearnFrom 12 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst

          Thanks for all your posts on this. You make a really good point - It is reassuring that they have reported it and are being transparent. This should be celebrated.

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