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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dr. Lisa Iannattone‏ @lisa_iannattone 8 Dec 2021

      Dr. Lisa Iannattone Retweeted Gabriel Hébert-Mild™ ⓥ

      Thoughts on this @zeynep? If total population seroconversion will end the pandemic because the danger is the novelty, then shouldn’t a seroprevalence of >98% for everyone over 16 and lots of “hybrid immunity” from rampant delta transmission have ended the pandemic in the UK?https://twitter.com/Gab_H_R/status/1468645767262916608 …

      Dr. Lisa Iannattone added,

      Gabriel Hébert-Mild™ ⓥ @Gab_H_R
      UK 🇬🇧 People asked to work from home and face masks to be worn in more places, as part of Plan B restrictions for England announced by Prime Minister Boris Johnson ⚠️ -BBC
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Dec 2021
      Replying to @lisa_iannattone

      Math exercise: what percent of the UK population do you think has been infected with Delta, plus got vaccinated, and thus has "hybrid immunity"?

      8 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    3. Graeme Blake‏ @graemeblake 8 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @lisa_iannattone

      Did your novelty = severity argument depend on hybrid immunity? I know @lisa_iannattone just mentioned it, but her core question was about your argument. I checked the essay published on Insight and didn’t see hybrid. Did you yourself mention it anywhere else as key?

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    4. Graeme Blake‏ @graemeblake 8 Dec 2021
      Replying to @graemeblake @zeynep @lisa_iannattone

      If not, then this math exercise seems to be moving the goalposts. SARS-Cov-2 is not novel for the vast, vast majority of the UK adult population, due to vaccines and prior exposure. If we need new restrictions, isn’t the novelty argument wrong or incomplete?

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Dec 2021
      Replying to @graemeblake @lisa_iannattone

      Literally a whole section explaining the role of repeated exposure, antigenic evolution, and role of immunosenescence and immunocompetence. The framework fits every piece of epidemiological data we've had this whole pandemic—too strong to be defeated by asking wrong questions.🤷‍♀️

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    6. Graeme Blake‏ @graemeblake 8 Dec 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @lisa_iannattone

      I did see the section on antigenic evolution. But it says that infections from changed viruses rarely cause harm due to prior immunity (meaning we would not expect to need restrictions to protect people). And this final paragraph says pandemic ends once we all acquire immunitypic.twitter.com/Rfa9jAYlc2

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    7. Graeme Blake‏ @graemeblake 8 Dec 2021
      Replying to @graemeblake @zeynep @lisa_iannattone

      I didn’t see anything that said it ends once we all have repeated exposures. I’ll grant the article wasn’t explicitly promising an end at a defined seroprevalence point or time and that the argument was more complex than that.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 8 Dec 2021
      Replying to @graemeblake @lisa_iannattone

      Did you read the whole thing? By the way, thank you for making me reread it. The section on antigenic shift is brilliant, and explains our current moment so, so well. Amazing, for such a short essay, long before Delta or Omicron. Probably the best essay of the whole pandemic.pic.twitter.com/usA1sj1baT

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        2. Dr. Lisa Iannattone‏ @lisa_iannattone 8 Dec 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @graemeblake

          Dylan Morris’ essay was very good. The focus was more on how vaccination protects us. In this thread, I’m asking about your tweets that suggest once everyone has met the virus, we’ll no longer re-live 2020/2021 (which most will read as meaning getting back to almost normal life.)pic.twitter.com/ssNI8ICRAR

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        3. Dr. Lisa Iannattone‏ @lisa_iannattone 8 Dec 2021
          Replying to @lisa_iannattone @zeynep @graemeblake

          With the UK implementing new restrictions (and especially if hospitals are strained again and more restrictions are introduced) despite nearly everyone having been vaccinated or infected, then this stance doesn’t hold.pic.twitter.com/pvfa3m4A10

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