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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Carl T. Bergstrom

      Sharing a few threads on whether molnupiravir (new antiviral on the cusp of approval) risks generating new variants because the mutations it induces may, rarely but possibly, not kill the virus but generate viable variants instead. Many on the FDA panel who voted no raised this.https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1467611446053851145 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Carl T. BergstromVerified account @CT_Bergstrom
      1. The FDA recently approved Merck's new COVID treatment, an antiviral known known as molnupiravir. The drug works by mimicking the cytidine and uridine nucleosides and thereby inducing frequent mutations in replicating virus.
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      19 replies 164 retweets 540 likes
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Michael Lin, MD PhD  🧬

      Another thread on the risk of sublethal mutagenesis (on the virus, not the human!) from molnupiravir:https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1464424333246447620 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Michael Lin, MD PhD  🧬 @michaelzlin
      In conclusion, it would be highly irresponsible to approve molnupiravir unless the possibility of sublethal accelerated viral mutagenesis is thoroughly addressed and satisfactorily rejected, especially within the target population of patients at risk of hospitalization.
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      4 replies 11 retweets 88 likes
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志

      Another, also with a letter in virological. "Mutagenic antivirals: the evolutionary risk of low doses".https://twitter.com/chasewnelson/status/1465219400064122882 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志 @chasewnelson
      TODAY at #Virological: throughout the #COVID19 pandemic, there has been a tendency to underestimate the potential of #SARSCoV2 to mutate and adapt. As the @US_FDA meets Tuesday to discuss #molnupiravir, @sarperotto and I fear another oversight.🧵 1/15 https://virological.org/t/mutagenic-antivirals-the-evolutionary-risk-of-low-doses/768 …
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted James E.K. Hildreth

      This is Dr. Hildreth on the FDA advisory phrased it after the vote. (He wasn't the only one on the panel to raise the issue).https://twitter.com/JamesEKHildreth/status/1465806607909064705 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      James E.K. Hildreth @JamesEKHildreth
      FDA AMDAC has voted 13 yes, 10 no for EUA for Merck's molnupiravir COVID-19 drug. I voted no. Inclusive data on mutagenic potential and concerns over generating troublesome SARS-CoV2 variants were not addressed to my satisfaction. Drug has modest 30% reduction in COVID-19 risk.
      2 replies 6 retweets 68 likes
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      One question I have is what happen with patience non-compliance? The pill is supposed to be taken over five days, every 12 hours at home (I think 40 pills total). There's going to be a lot of incomplete regimens in this scenario. How does this affect this risk?

      2 replies 10 retweets 163 likes
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      (Also, the trial had two phases and the drug had *zero* efficacy in the second phase which is really weird. It suggests regression to the mean so perhaps there is little to no benefit after all. Seems worth a longer study, but that's a separate question).

      3 replies 8 retweets 122 likes
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      Overall, we have multiple scientists raising the alarm that a new drug may end up generating new variants, many on the FDA panel voting no citing that very concern, and real questions on whether there's any benefit—already on the low side as claimed. Seems worth taking seriously.

      6 replies 33 retweets 179 likes
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Sandra

      Pfizer antiviral doesn't use the same mechanism, so does not have the same risk. I think antivirals are an excellent addition to our arsenal. That said, so many on the FDA panel raised this issue, and still little news coverage? How do we get more clarity?https://twitter.com/diagionals/status/1467892862092288000 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Sandra @diagionals
      Replying to @zeynep
      Has there been any further information on the pfizer antiviral drug?
      6 replies 20 retweets 143 likes
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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      Here's a post by @Dereklowe on this question, but also highlighting below the part where he wonders (as have others), if the already low reported benefit is there at all? (The trial data is really weird...) https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/rethinking-molnupiravir …pic.twitter.com/tGTd3jcvdb

      2 replies 10 retweets 70 likes
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Information Junkie  👨‍💻

      One more thread!https://twitter.com/JustTheFacts37/status/1467890584773963782 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Information Junkie  👨‍💻 @JustTheFacts37
      Replying to @zeynep
      Maybe add this one to your list as well? https://twitter.com/lauringlab/status/1467861151983673349?s=21 …
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Derek Lowe

          I think we can assume that there'll be some patient noncompliance (stopping early, skipping doses, erratic timing) as well as re-targeting (hoarded/left-over pills being shared). How does this affect this tail risk—not to the patient, but to society?https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1467906065882927112 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Derek LoweVerified account @Dereklowe
          This is an unfortunately good point: will patient noncompliance on Molnupiravir treatment regimes bring on the viral-mutant problems that many have worried about? I haven't been as concerned about that, but this would be the way it could happen. . . https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1467890223145172996 …
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Dec 2021

          To some asking: This mechanism doesn't apply to vaccines (vaccines aren't drugs—this is a drug specifically mutagenic to the virus), nor to Pfizer's antiviral (which targets enzymes, and is also not mutagenic to the virus). So concerns are only about this (or similar) drugs.

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