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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

    South Africa has gifted us an early warning with Omicron. But earlier the warning, the less we know. Still, we must act now, while waiting for clarity. We need smart, comprehensive measures, not pandemic theater. Can we please, finally learn? New from me: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/28/opinion/covid-omicron-travel-ban-testing.html …pic.twitter.com/O3EI8lDam6

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

        We argue over travel bans, and sometimes implement them but in a way that makes little sense. Early containment measures *can* buy time, but they have to be *for real* containment, not just passport exclusion. (Virus doesn't care). And the real issue is using that time wisely.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

        This is *not* like where we were with Alpha or Delta when we first heard about them. Thanks to South Africa, we have such an early warning that it's impossible to be sure. Everything is still on the table. Fizzles out totally, catastrophe, in-between? Gotta wait for data.

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

        Plus, I'm all for early, aggressive action when facing exponential threats but there needs to be benchmarks and a timeline for reversing precautionary steps. Such restrictions *are* a burden, and haphazardly putting a few in place and forgetting about them is not okay.pic.twitter.com/X2FTJyaK2i

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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Clare Hendry

        The world owes South Africa—a lot. It's also possible that they were simply the first to detect Omicron—and it's widespread already. We absolutely need to provide resources to them—and to the region. It's the right thing to do, and our moral obligation.https://twitter.com/Clare_Hendry/status/1465000341481603086 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Clare Hendry @Clare_Hendry
        Replying to @zeynep
        The immediate knee jerk travel bans have decimated what was left of the South African tourism and film industries. Many thousands of jobs lost. We do not have the resources to provide a safety net like developed nations. Surely there's a moral argument here too?
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      6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

        When facing an exponential threat under uncertainty, it's a *great* idea to put in friction quickly. Buying time is great! But we have to do it properly, then use that time, and be ready to reverse or change course quickly. Otherwise, we get all the burden but not the benefits.

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      7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted DemandaCovidRecount

        This is a myth. Especially for a virus that can transmit early in disease course, like this one, selection pressure is on transmission, not virulence. So a new variant can be MORE or LESS virulent (when everything else equal, i.e. host immunity).https://twitter.com/soccervolleymom/status/1465074442044850183 …

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        DemandaCovidRecount @soccervolleymom
        Replying to @zeynep
        After all this time, content creators don't know that more transmissible is typically very good. =Less virulent. They also don't know the gov isn't capable of modifying anything quickly or capturing quality data. Let the states address or ignore as they see fit.
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      8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Nov 2021

        OTOH, both immune evasion and intrinsic higher transmissibility contribute to higher Rt. For ex, if Omicron can evade antibodies and is reinfecting people, cases will go up but might be milder with cellular immunity (T&B) cells kicking in. Need time and data to sort it out.

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      9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Nov 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nate in LA

        I get this. The key here is communicating that, unlike Alpha and Delta, we got an early enough warning with Omicron that… we DON’T know if it is a big threat, but we should act like it *might* be till we figure it out a bit more. It could fizzle out or it could be a big threat.https://twitter.com/natem42/status/1465075979462742016 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Nate in LA @natem42
        Replying to @zeynep
        But if this is a false alarm public health will have burned a lot of credibility when already strained. We may be at the ping where there is no such thing as erring on the side of caution.
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      2. Nate in LA‏ @natem42 28 Nov 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        One issue is that even in Blue areas the political tolerance for containment measures is getting real limited.

        1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
      3. JustHereToRead‏ @signingupjustt1 28 Nov 2021
        Replying to @natem42 @zeynep

        esp as at this point there are still a few people with no vaccines that most people see as a lost cause, and other people with 3 shots in them, even healthy 21 year olds with 3 shots, even though the CDC can't even decide if boosters needed

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