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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 24 Nov 2021

      Stephen Goldstein Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      I have not figured out how to monetize it, but I may not be as smart as @zeynep, who seems to have almost everything figured out.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1462800937265897484 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @WryWryWry3
      The lucrative path in her field would have been to join the in-crowd which let Peter you-know-who lead the whole field by the nose into very troubling corner—the damaging effects of which are yet to play, likely for decades—for almost two years despite obvious, visible problems.
      6 replies 5 retweets 56 likes
    2. Health Nerd‏Verified account @GidMK 24 Nov 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep

      I'm very confused, even the more successful virologists aren't exactly rolling in it. There are much easier ways to make money!

      6 replies 0 retweets 27 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Nov 2021
      Replying to @GidMK @stgoldst

      If you’re going to wave around credentials, you need a much better track record. Still, I appreciate that Stephen is also a junior person who’s outspoken and not always with requisite support. I hope he’d get the obvious point. Sticking your neck out isn’t a straight money play.

      4 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    4. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 24 Nov 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @GidMK

      Indeed I understand the intended point, I simply disagree. I think Alina has played a very harmful role and I don’t think it’s brave to write a book based on conjecture. It’s certainly wrong that the alternative path is lucrative though.

      18 replies 4 retweets 32 likes
    5. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 24 Nov 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep @GidMK

      Alina has a much bigger profile than I do and if she makes $20 off her book that’ll be $20 more than I’ve made off this entire saga. Which is all fine. I’m not involved in this for those things. I could tweet incessantly if I were. But I don’t agree theres bravery.

      3 replies 1 retweet 19 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Nov 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @GidMK

      I think both of you have strong opinions, and I’d argue neither of you is protected by senior people—tbh I’d argue they should be out there, not you—or out for the money. Strong disagreement with anyone aside, I’m recognizing that conviction exists. And I respect it. That’s all.

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    7. Stephanie N. Langel‏ @stephanielangel 25 Nov 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst @GidMK

      Having followed these threads over the last couple of days, I think the biggest thing I disagree with is that because Alina is a postdoc, she should be spared from critiques on her point of view, esp considering her book/recent work is of her own, not her advisors.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Nov 2021
      Replying to @stephanielangel @stgoldst @GidMK

      That wasn’t a thing I said at any point. I simply pointed out the level of energy directed at her, rather than the many issues with even EcoHealth is telling and disappointing. Or the fact that early case info is clearly censored, etc. There are *many* substantive open questions.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 25 Nov 2021
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          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Remember all this started when I objected to Twitter censoring her polite, factual questions at EcoHealth. People popped in *my* mentions with “it’s good to censor a grifter” replies. Meanwhile, if people want to deny her a spotlight, I suggest more people ask those questions.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1462790120101322758 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          I can verify this is happening to her replies that have no offensive content whatsoever—but in fact are substantive. It’s likely because people who disagree with her have reported her as “misinformation”—and the automated system is very prone to manipulation like this. https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1462782744635785222 …
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        3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 25 Nov 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stephanielangel and

          But you didn’t just object to Twitter “deboosting” her. You asserted that Peter Daszak led an entire field that neither she nor you are a part of into “very troubling corners” & it would have been more “lucrative” to do a postdoc rather than sell her speculative book.

          3 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
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        1. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 25 Nov 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stephanielangel and

          Or maybe the “level of energy” is high because her attempts to profit from baseless speculation inhibits our ability to answer other key questions. It’s false to claim that people on all sides of the origin debate ignored them in favor of criticizing Alina for the harm she’s done

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        1. Stephanie N. Langel‏ @stephanielangel 25 Nov 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst @GidMK

          I hear you & understand you didn’t mean it that way but by using postdoc in “The pile-on a single postdoc” signals she should be critiqued less based on her job status, which normally I agree w/ bc of the instability of postdoc positions. I just don’t think that applies here

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