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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

      California wants to replace calculus with statistics and "data science"??? I'm a fan of teaching more statistics, but learning that at a meaningful, useful level is way, way, way harder than for calculus. And no, "data science" isn't that kind of a thing. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/california-math-curriculum-guidelines.htm …pic.twitter.com/Wo2PVQAONC

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    2. Natalie E. Dean, PhD‏Verified account @nataliexdean 5 Nov 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I wish I had taken a statistics course in high school. My first stats course was midway through college. I see value in moving statistics earlier.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021
      Replying to @nataliexdean

      I'm all for teaching more statistics, earlier too. I just don't see why they think it will close the achievement gap. Teaching it well isn't easy, and if you just dump plug-and-play in front of unprepared students, it doesn't do that much good.

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    4. Noah Haber‏ @NoahHaber 5 Nov 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @nataliexdean

      Don't (necessarily) teach statistics, teach statistical thinking. Skip the formulas, numbers, calculating p-value nonsense, etc. and replace it with generating intuition through simulations, demonstration, and conceptual discussion. We would all be so, so much better off.

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    5. Noah Haber‏ @NoahHaber 5 Nov 2021
      Replying to @NoahHaber @zeynep @nataliexdean

      Right now, we teach statistics to consumers/applyers as mini courses in how to generate stats. That's a huge waste, since very very few people actually need those skills (and a lot misapply them without more in-depth training), and it puts a lot of people off stats unnecessarily.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021
      Replying to @NoahHaber @nataliexdean

      I mean, look at how difficult it has been to communicate about basic stuff, say, conditional probability throughout the pandemic? I dislike the idea of treating statistics/probability as "calculus-lite" and then, in practice, reduce it to using SPSS.

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        2. Dr Christina J Phillips‏ @DrArtAnalytics 5 Nov 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @NoahHaber @nataliexdean

          But we need people to get the conceptual stuff more than ever. I teach that at uni, and help them realise what they can't say without studying stats in depth. People need to be more stat literate.

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        3. drGarthK‏ @DrGarthK 5 Nov 2021
          Replying to @DrArtAnalytics @zeynep and

          I would have loved more education in statistics and understanding data when I was a child. Not instead of other math, but alongside it. I agree that these are difficult subjects (like all subjects, really) but there are lots of great lessons possible at almost any age level.

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