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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

    California wants to replace calculus with statistics and "data science"??? I'm a fan of teaching more statistics, but learning that at a meaningful, useful level is way, way, way harder than for calculus. And no, "data science" isn't that kind of a thing. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/california-math-curriculum-guidelines.htm …pic.twitter.com/Wo2PVQAONC

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

        Switching away from calculus to statistics and "data science" is framed as "closing the racial and socioeconomic disparities in achievement that persist at every level of math education." I guess these people don't know much about either topic? Teaching statistics is very thorny.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

        Sorry, broken link.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/california-math-curriculum-guidelines.html …

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Anderson

        I'm all *for* teaching statistics, in general, and also probability. But these people seem to think it's easier to teach it meaningfully at the introductory level (i.e. high school) than calculus? Statistics, if it is to be useful, is not a simple topic.https://twitter.com/truth_campaign/status/1456639939681062913 …

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        Honestly, stats is more useful to most people than calc, but I think they should also offer calc.
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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

        (Again: I'm not talking about calculus versus statistics for advanced work! Or which one is more useful. I'm just surprised that they think "statistics" will solve gaps in achievement simply because it's not calculus. "Data science" in that role, otoh, only deserves an eye-roll.)

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      6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

        My fellow academics/techies are arguing about which one is more useful for what or do you need calculus for statistics etc. Those are very *different* questions. These people think they can swap out calculus with statistics or with "data science"🙄 to close achievement gaps.

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      7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Nov 2021

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        This is a better formulation. I'm all for more stats/probability, and earlier, and also more later but the reason we teach it—inference and reasoning—requires real work. Statistics is not math that's easier than calculus—or whatever these people think. https://twitter.com/jbakcoleman/status/1456652452804001796 …

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      2. Heather‏ @heather09734427 5 Nov 2021
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        It’s helpful to have calculus as a foundation before learning stats.

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      3. Ellesystem‏ @ellesystem 5 Nov 2021
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        If you were developing your own statistical tests, then yes, you would need to be able to *do* calculus. But to understand how to use and interpret common tests etc. you only need some *concepts* from calc.

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      2. Jason Milletary‏ @JasonMilletary 5 Nov 2021
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        I'd replace trig before calculus

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