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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Nov 2021

    Amazing people will try to mislead you about a country with detailed statistics. That big blob of green? Asymptomatic/mild cases. That low blue line? Vaccinated cases with severe outcomes, compared to the orange—the unvaccinated. Yes, Delta changed the equation, but not reality. https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1454882236315029504 …pic.twitter.com/4VFDTthlRe

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Nov 2021

        By all means, look at the statistics. Real life data is unequivocal. Delta *will* find the unvaccinated, and spike cases. For the vaccinated, the threat is low but not zero, similar to other viral diseases, and more so for the elderly or immunocompromised. https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/update-on-local-covid-19-situation-(1-nov-2021) …

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Nov 2021

        Nothing to celebrate about adding one more respiratory virus to the others. It IS an added burden. We're not done with the pandemic phase yet—though, as usual, the future is already here, just unevenly—with so many billions unvaccinated, let alone fully-vaccinated or boostered.

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Nov 2021

        Anyway, if Singapore is your example of how it's not possible to get things under control, by all means. All I ask is that let's look at the full picture *AND* let's take a look at it next month. (Remember the Seychelles panic news cycle? Few check up on what actually happens.)

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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Nov 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Eric Black

        Vaccinated people *are*, of course, less likely to get infected or spread. Here's one article from September @Craig_A_Spencer but more data has been collected since. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/ …https://twitter.com/eric_black3/status/1455250016906268675 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Eric Black @eric_black3
        Replying to @zeynep
        The severe outcome distinction is relevant only for the *personal* question of whether to get vaxxed. Raw case numbers are relevant for the vaccine mandate question...b/c mandate proponents argue vaxxed people are less likely to get infected and therefore less likely to spread.
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      6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Nov 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Burn-Murdoch

        I am not at all of the belief that we should be complacent with Delta. Much of the world remains unvaccinated which is a tragedy and a travesty. Certainly nuances to which vaccine/NPIs/age structure etc. But mass vaccination provides *such* strong results.https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1455247194647314448 …

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        John Burn-MurdochVerified account @jburnmurdoch
        One of the most startling Covid charts I’ve made in a long time, on vaccine inequality: Rich countries have given out more booster shots in the last 3 months, than poor countries have given out total doses all year. @donatopmancini’s story: https://www.ft.com/content/35a3d40a-f71f-4fca-893d-884fec5633d8 … pic.twitter.com/LVXpH9jMId
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      7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Ministry of Health

        Anyway, let’s check in on Singapore.https://twitter.com/sporeMOH/status/1457378435756539906 …

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        Ministry of HealthVerified account @sporeMOH
        Update on COVID-19 situation (7 Nov 2021): Over the last 28 days, 98.7% of infected individuals had no or mild symptoms, 0.8% required oxygen supplementation in the general ward and 0.3% were in ICU. For full details: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/update-on-local-covid-19-situation-(7-nov-2021) … pic.twitter.com/SCqUoCs6B2
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      2. Andre Infante‏ @AndreTI 1 Nov 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        On the one hand, it *is* a shame herd immunity seems so difficult to achieve with Delta. On the other hand, vaccination has saved a tremendous number of lives. Anyone disputing that can get directly into the grinder.

        3 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
      3. Andre Infante‏ @AndreTI 1 Nov 2021
        Replying to @AndreTI @zeynep

        Oh noooo! High vaccination rates don't totally eliminate covid like we thought theu might, they *only* reduce deaths by *90+%*. What a *scaaaam.* Fucking "experts" saying we should get vaccinated.

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      2. hof‏ @Hofmann43 1 Nov 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        You missed the point. The vaccines were always about severe/hosp/death, not cases. Those who claimed and still do that vaccines==control do more harm to the vaccination efforts than those who claim it was never about cases.

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      3. Paul Roundy‏ @PaulRoundy1 1 Nov 2021
        Replying to @Hofmann43 @zeynep

        It's not that it wasn't ever about cases. It's that the testing emphasized other factors & the impact on cases was less certain.

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