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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Oct 2021

    A solid essay on natural immunity and vaccination—even that has been chewed up by the polarization here so good advice comes from Europe. That said, a key obstacle is how bad we are keeping track of anything— even the vaccinated, let alone who had COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/covid-vaccine-hybrid-natural-immunity.html#commentsContainer …pic.twitter.com/1Sfz72QZWH

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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Oct 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted astute science follower

        "Natural immunity" is not a great term, so I get the "so-called"—it's a nod to the descriptive nature of language where she uses the common term in public writing. Immunity from infection versus vaccination is the better term; neither is unnatural. Alas.https://twitter.com/sega_geneziz/status/1453721141684543496 …

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        astute science follower @sega_geneziz
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        Gotta love the “so-called” qualifier, very science
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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Oct 2021

        It's so weird this became a controversial topic, and people say "what about natural immunity" as if it's a gotcha? People from many countries must be looking at some of this the way they look at the "yeah, I have no idea what my bill for that minor ER visit will be" tweets.

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Oct 2021

        Of course you get some immunity after infection; of course better to avoid the risk of illness and get vaccinated; and of course if you got infected anyway, it's a thing to consider. Alas, that needs actionable record-keeping, to start with, and the ability to have sane policies.

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      1. Arieh Kovler‏Verified account @ariehkovler 28 Oct 2021
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        The line about Israel is a little misleading. Israel's Green Pass is valid for 6 months either way, after either the most recent vaccination or infection.pic.twitter.com/bAB59etCtB

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      2. CSmith, PhD‏ @csmithsci 28 Oct 2021
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        I disagree. We know so much more than she is willing to say. "Natural immunity can last a long time — possibly up to a year". The vaccine's protectiveness is no better. That is because this virus mutates fairly rapidly. We will keep seeing it again over and over.

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      3. B Webb‏ @bratwww 28 Oct 2021
        Replying to @csmithsci @zeynep

        The NYT doc talks about memory cells but appears to have misread the cited paper. A better statement would be - at least a year - since that was the duration of the study.

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      1. John Anderson‏ @truth_campaign 28 Oct 2021
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        But when you claim we may still need one dose, you are opening it up to require and mandate ongoing doses of this vaccine which wanes over time.

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      1. Peter K Burian‏ @PKBurian 28 Oct 2021
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        Another article: Had COVID? Are you now immune? May provide some immunity. But still get vaccinated, scientists say Canada and the U.S. don't count previous infection as part of vaccination status Previous infection + vaccine = high protectionhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/health/natural-immunity-covid-19-vaccination-1.6223784 …

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      2. Charles‏ @Charles60574837 28 Oct 2021
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        UK example, CDC could do same, no, doesn't require NHS type system to do. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf … Tables 2, 3, 4, over 80, breakthru death just 1/2 rate unvaccinated. After Biden's 2 big bills, must do more on covid. Phase before 80% vax is UK 68% vax'd, 3/4 deaths are vax'd.

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      3. Charles‏ @Charles60574837 30 Oct 2021
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        Voila, US data exists, as linked to by NYTimes today, I couldn't find previouslyhttps://twitter.com/Charles60574837/status/1454440931227230214 …

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        Charles @Charles60574837
        Replying to @zeynep @wanderer_jasnah @andrew_croxford
        Times article links to CDC data with deaths by age & vaccine status. Breakthrough deaths in US for 80 years + is 14% vs UK at near 50%, all UK deaths 1/2 overall US rate. UK 68% vax vs US 58%. Very likely US will reach same phase, 1/2 of deaths breakthrus https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/10/28/us/covid-breakthrough-cases.html …
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