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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Oct 2021

      I hope all this is a lesson on the downfalls of credulity and group-think—even among smart people. People who *correctly* suggested that the required transparency, investigation and accountability were deeply lacking were branded as conspiracy theorists. That's how trust is lost.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Oct 2021

      How German virologist Alexander Kekulé describes his reaction to the unearthing of the (unfunded!) grant application by EcoHealth/WIV. (Also note he later points out why/how the way forward is the same: better outbreak surveillance and lab oversight). https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Kekule-sieht-neue-Hinweise-fuer-Laborunfall-article22875216.html …pic.twitter.com/1NOpLSAYS9

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Oct 2021

      More. EcoHealth had denied experiments with MERS but a missing NIH report Intercept JUST got says “We constructed the full-length infectious clone of MERS-CoV, and replaced the RBD of MERS-CoV with the RBDs of various strains of HKU4-related coronaviruses" https://theintercept.com/2021/10/21/virus-mers-wuhan-experiments/ …pic.twitter.com/SmjvceQplY

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Oct 2021

      So, EcoHealth submitted the fourth year report in 2018 and then, inexplicably, updated it in 2020 *only* to update the references? I've had big grants—who updates a report years later only for new references? Besides, can't even resubmit without agency approval? This is bizarre.pic.twitter.com/arVVDwL2dh

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted The Seeker

      Also, this from the unearthed grant: shouldn't these"180 unique SARSr-CoVs" from bats EcoHealth says they collected be shared with the scientific community already? (As far as I know, they have not been disclosed yet).https://twitter.com/TheSeeker268/status/1440337832472576014 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      The Seeker @TheSeeker268
      Money quote #3 & #4: >180 unique SARSr-CoVs It defies any logic that Daszak still hasn't shared them with the scientific community. This does a lot more than raise questions about Daszak's integrity. pic.twitter.com/oD6TZI6tSN
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Marcus Weinman

      Here we go: maybe we could confirm that, indeed, there are no undisclosed sequences left. (I'll email and ask tomorrow). The numbers in the grant and here aren't an exact match: the organization itself clarifying all this would be good.https://twitter.com/Homozygoat_/status/1451380954249977858 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Marcus Weinman @Homozygoat_
      Replying to @zeynep
      He disclosed them right here...? https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1397346763103670282 … https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17687-3#MOESM1 …
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Oct 2021

      Dr. Ralph Baric, among leading coronavirus scientists, much to lose, honestly:"You can engineer a virus without leaving any trace." @Voxdotcom, OCTOBER 2021, citing a single commentary from way back, March 2020, *twice* to assert what "we know for sure". Why people lose trust.pic.twitter.com/RNILY9RbiL

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Oct 2021

      I don't think we can assign likelihood to the options tbh—a bit like dividing by zero, given lack of evidence or cover-up—but some do say "I think this is more likely". Fine. But "we know for sure"? There is a Turkish saying for this: more of a royalist than even the king.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Vincent Parbelle  🍓 🍓 🍓

      For the record! (Etymology is almost certainly from French to Turkish, as there was a period of massive French influence on the language). Also, French has some of the best quips about monarchies!https://twitter.com/VParbelle/status/1452331597630517253 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Vincent Parbelle  🍓 🍓 🍓 @VParbelle
      Replying to @zeynep
      Also a French saying: Être plus royaliste que le roi 😉
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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Oct 2021

      After the Iraq War debacle, trust in media in the US dropped ~10-15% and never recovered. Good journalism isn't stenography. The way not to give fuel to misinformation and, yes, even absurd and terrible theories is to establish trust is through honest but *challenging* reporting.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jamie Metzl

      Worth reading. The first WHO investigation on COVID origins ended up rating *frozen food imports* from elsewhere as *more likely* than even a lab accident, let alone anything else. A repeat of the same embarrassing debacle isn't in the public interest.https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl/status/1452981444679249922 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Jamie MetzlVerified account @JamieMetzl
      .@WHO SAGO is an important step toward better understanding the origin of #COVID19 & future pandemics, but the list of nominees requires some essential changes to make this possible. Here's our letter sent to @DrTedros @ @mvankerkhove earlier today. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355585072_Proposed_changes_to_the_composition_of_the_SAGO_committee?channel=doi&linkId=61779f59eef53e51e1ebdf46&showFulltext=true …
      8:30 AM - 26 Oct 2021
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2021

          Two issues: what sparked this pandemic? May be unknowable, given the cover-up, but we can still learn to try to address *all* the possibilities. Second is about *us*. How can "frozen food" end up in a WHO report as a realistic option like that, for ex? Where's the deep coverage?

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2021

          Lest anyone has any questions, I encourage people to look at the first WHO report to see their exact conclusions on what they considered "possible" (frozen food chain) and what they considered "extremely unlikely" (any lab incident), in explicit ranking. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/origins-of-the-virus …pic.twitter.com/OSp8QP5phG

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Oct 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Gary Ruskin

          Another letter on the new WHO origins group. The committee will have limits on access but a thorough accounting of open questions would be good. Having more people with the right expertise who demonstrate such independence and fewer who dismissed legitimate questions is helpful.https://twitter.com/garyruskin/status/1453118907246469130 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Gary RuskinVerified account @garyruskin
          Our open letter to @WHO asking them to remove ten proposed SAGO members for conflicts of interests and other reasons, and replace them with people who will inspire public trust in the WHO’s investigation of the origins of #COVID19. https://usrtk.org/biohazards-blog/public-comments-sago/ …
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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Oct 2021

          (I don’t think having an opinion on either likelihood is disqualifying. Trust is inspired by willingness to engage the open questions rather than brushing them away or pretending there is no issue. Surely there are a good number of such people with the requisite expertise).

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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Oct 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Mara Hvistendahl

          Yep. The people who *correctly* pointed out the obfuscations and the lack of transparency and accountability in the COVID origins investigation had long been dismissed as conspiracy theorists. Late conversions with shifting winds don't fix this dynamic.https://twitter.com/MaraHvistendahl/status/1454060376035893253 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Mara HvistendahlVerified account @MaraHvistendahl
          It will be interesting to watch how the NIH-EcoHealth Alliance spat plays out. Already I see people who dismissed @theintercept's FOIA lawsuit reinventing themselves as transparency advocates.
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        7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Oct 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Joseph Reagle

          Agree that the below helped make "origins" a big mess. But I think this reality made it *even* more important that people on the side of science, good journalism and accountability to be not so dismissive of the *many* legitimate issues over the past year.https://twitter.com/jmreagle/status/1454164878998978560 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Joseph Reagle @jmreagle
          Replying to @zeynep
          Trumpists attempted to use the lab hypothesis as a diversion from their own bungling. Their incoherence claiming both that it was a deadly conspiracy, born in a lab, and of little concern and soon going away) eviscerated any chance of actual nuance.
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        8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Nov 2021

          Recommended reading, both the Intercept article by @fastlerner and @MaraHvistendahl on how the NIH had reportedly been helping EcoHealth *avoid* oversight, and the full thread on why this matters, despite all the unknowns about the past. https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1456165187480797185 …pic.twitter.com/MGSjz981IG

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        9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Nov 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Flo Débarre

          There's a new article in Science—and a NYT piece about it—concerning a contradiction in the WHO report. Guess what, the "internet sleuths" long-dismissed, had identified that exact issue last May. It was in front of everyone's faces, but ignored, as usual.https://twitter.com/flodebarre/status/1461477807498964999 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Flo Débarre @flodebarre
          FYI @MichaelWorobey @carlzimmer @benjmueller and others writing on the early cases: @franciscodeasis had found out about Chen a long time ago and it's a bit uncool not to credit him @acritschristoph https://twitter.com/franciscodeasis/status/1397227238764990469 …
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        10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Nov 2021

          Plus, we now learn from Peter Daszak that the WHO team that signed off on a report claiming frozen food was more likely origins than any lab connection says they NEVER ASKED THE FIRST KNOWN SEAFOOD MARKET CASE WHERE SHE WORKED OR WHERE HER PRODUCTS CAME FROM. Kinda out of words.pic.twitter.com/1vn77TSJ6o

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        11. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Nov 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Anyway, thread of mine from last July noting the WHO report had a significant number of contradictions and unexplained issues. The so-called "Internet sleuths" had identified many already, and many were in-your-face obvious. What an embarrassing episode.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1415659838193942528 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          We know the early cases, as reported to us, were missing, incomplete and withheld. We know there are contradictions between earlier papers from Chinese scientists and what later got told to WHO. We know there are missing sequences and papers, even among what little got released.
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