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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Oct 2021

      Excellent NYT piece by @linseymarr on how the recognition of the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (finally, belatedly) should inform how we approach mitigations for influenza, which causes so much suffering every year. Flu shouldn't be "just the flu." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/19/opinion/covid-flu-air-transmission.html …pic.twitter.com/IxCByJTRFx

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted ConcernedCitizen

      There wasn't a word in the piece about general mask mandates for flu! Ventilation, air-filtering, some technologies that can kill germs in high-risk/crowded places, etc. Voluntary mask wearing can be deployed as appropriate, as Asian countries long have.https://twitter.com/Ubi_est_veritas/status/1450457994190200834 …

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      ConcernedCitizen @Ubi_est_veritas
      Replying to @zeynep @ScottGottliebMD @linseymarr
      I’m all for encouragement of mask-wearing if one is sick, but please, oh, please, let’s not mandate mask-wearing for all every winter.
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    3. No Problem  ☀️‏ @venivici27 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      “Asian countries” (really just Japan) never used masks for flu / viruses prior 2020. Stop making shit up. In Japan masks were for 👉 Allergies, pollution and then eventually weird social norms in some weird people.

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    4. Mark‏ @skepticalmark 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @venivici27 @zeynep

      This is true. I'm not sure why people in the US have this image in their heads of everyone in Asia wearing masks all the time. I found people primarily wore masks when they felt ill just to be polite. This image is typical...https://www.alamy.com/japan-honshu-tokyo-shinjuku-shinjuku-train-station-commuters-on-crowded-platform-30076236-image264543979.html …

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @skepticalmark @venivici27

      I spent most of 2019 doing research in Hong Kong, and you are not correct. There is definitely seasonal mask-wearing, though obviously was not universal, and seems more with elderly people which makes sense. Such optional masking is especially high in some countries like Japan.

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    6. Mark‏ @skepticalmark 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @venivici27

      I disagree. You are calling out a very specific period in Hong Kong when there were protests and people didn't want to be identified, so they wore masks far more often. I spent a lot of time in Hong Kong prior to the protests and it was very typical of the picture I posted.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @skepticalmark @venivici27

      One. I can tell the protesters wearing masks from the elderly in the subway, come on. Two, my observation/studies is that it's seasonal and varies with outbreaks. Three, studies find, for example, as high as 38% wear masks during flu season in Japan.https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/1471-2458-12-1065 …

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    8. Mark‏ @skepticalmark 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @venivici27

      I've seen that study, but that translates to something different in practice. 38.4% work a mask some of the time during flu season. In practice, that means you might see 5 people on a subway car wearing a mask in the height of flu season. It just isn't that common. We disagree.

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    9. Mark‏ @skepticalmark 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @skepticalmark @zeynep @venivici27

      I enjoy your writing, but on this topic my personal experience and observations while working in Asia are very different than yours.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @skepticalmark @venivici27

      But the point, again, is not that there was universal mask-wearing but situation/outbreak dependent ones. Hong Kong, for example, adopted mask wearing pretty heavily as early as January 2020 in response to COVID (before it even had that name). That's the cultural memory of SARS.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Oct 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @venivici27

      When masks were suggested here, it was derided as Asian superstition rather than something that was culturally and medically seen as sensible there, but within context. Now we even know more, and I suspect there will be uptick in voluntary masking, especially seasonally.

      8:31 AM - 19 Oct 2021
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        1. Mark‏ @skepticalmark 19 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @venivici27

          In the post-pandemic US, I believe voluntary masking will be very dependent on where you live. I expect to see it in NYC. I expect voluntary masking to be vanishingly rare throughout the central US.

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