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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Trevor Bedford

      Great thread with a "best guess" from @trvrb on where post-pandemic (endemic) burden of COVID may end up. Note: how the virus evolves is one factor, but so is the host (us!) immune response once it's no longer novel. Also: even smaller risk can, at scale, add substantial burden.https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1448297977005723653 …

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      Trevor BedfordVerified account @trvrb
      At endemicity, circulation does not necessarily translate to disease burden. Based on robust vaccine effectiveness against severe outcomes, my speculative guess would be that infection to fatality rate (IFR) drops 10-fold from its original ~0.6% to a flu-like ~0.06%. 14/17
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      It need not evolve to be less virulent (selection pressure is transmission, not keeping host alive) so just as dangerous to the immunologically naive *but* those with previous infection/vaccination (thus no longer novel) can experience it as milder. These keep getting conflated.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      Also true: even if we experience it much milder *on average*, adding one more seasonal HCoV will add to our disease burden and increase risks for especially for the elderly/immunocompromised. This is true for other viruses, too (RSV even OC43!) but now we have one additional one.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lofti Pixels

      Hence error in arguing merely from "much less likely to get severe disease" (true!) against vaccinating children (especially older ones). Yes, small risk, but adding one more! Also: primary infection with novel virus isn't same process as next exposure.https://twitter.com/loftipixels/status/1448367209680711687 …

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      WATCH THIS: Joe Rogan annihilates @drsanjaygupta over vaccinating children. Sanjay seems utterly lost here; almost as if he's never been challenged on this outside of the imploding television medium of 30 sec scripted sound bites and groupthink circle jerks. #FreedomFlu pic.twitter.com/dUOyPN6JAi
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted McKotchi

      I understand, but first, it is not zero. But most importantly, the comparison of vaccine risk isn't to zero risk, it's to risks from getting COVID while unvaccinated. Clearly, both are way smaller risks for children compared to adults, but neither is zero.https://twitter.com/McKotchi/status/1448636692282417160 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      McKotchi @McKotchi
      Replying to @zeynep
      I can only speak to the 5-11 group — but I think most parents (not the 1/3 that are going to rush out to get it) are worried about adverse events when the risk for healthy kids is close to zero.
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted atlantic triangle

      Yes but: studies show that almost all children get exposed to flu before seven or so (also to other human coronaviruses). Here, we are talking about exposure to a *novel* one, while older. Different process, lot more unknowns, and definitely not zero risk.https://twitter.com/atlantictriangl/status/1448639590898679810 …

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      atlantic triangle @atlantictriangl
      Replying to @zeynep
      This is the only way of framing this thing. It's the same as taking a flu shot. The kids are going to encounter these strains eventually. Do you take the risk of them experiencing it in the wild or do you introduce it first in a safe, controlled environment via a vaccine?
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      I'm not dismissing this: of course parents have such questions. However, post-viral myocarditis is also a thing (all viruses! not just this one!) and the correct comparison is the risk after vaccine vs COVID infection. That's what we should compare imo. https://twitter.com/BabeRuthsChris/status/1448640324046295044 …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Arieh Kovler

      I don't see how a regular kid—or pretty much any adult in most places, avoids exposure to COVID within the next year or so at most—if not sooner. Yes, risks to kids is *really* low but always the same question: exposure while vaccinated or not vaccinated.https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1448642107737100289 …

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      Arieh KovlerVerified account @ariehkovler
      Replying to @zeynep
      I think some of this is based on old thinking. What's the chance a kid will get Covid at some point in the next five years? In a suppression scenario, perhaps low. In an endemic scenario, probably very high?
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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 14 Oct 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted You Should Have Voted For Jo

          These are good questions! I have my own preferences, but that's exactly the correct public discussion, imo. I think we should deeply engage parents with concerns, and address risks as vaccine vs infection with novel virus (something different!).https://twitter.com/colorblindk1d/status/1448644927785635840 …

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          You Should Have Voted For Jo @colorblindk1d
          Replying to @zeynep
          What is the risk ratio at which it is unethical to mandate vaccines? Is it 1 to 1? Say that COVID is 10x more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine. Is that enough to justify a recommendation? 100X? Where is that line?
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        1. Matt Gerlach‏ @Matt_Gerlach 14 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Do you think any of these infection rates among children are lowered with schools requiring masks and kids being out of school During a lot of the large spike times?

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        2. Michael Ravitch‏ @mravitch 14 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I was told by a prominent pediatric immunologist that he thinks the same kids who get (treatable) vaccine-related myocarditis are the same ones who would suffer the most damage from getting covid. So ironically they are the ones who need the vaccine the most.

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        3. Alasdair Munro‏Verified account @apsmunro 14 Oct 2021
          Replying to @mravitch @zeynep

          That's almost certainly not true, as there is an overwhelming male predominance in vaccine induced myocarditis (vast majority of which only after 2nd dose) which does not exist for covid infection in children

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        2. Jeff, God of Biscuits Part II‏ @lurkernonumbers 14 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I feel like many people used to be able to think they could somehow avoid getting Covid. Delta got rid of that fiction for just about everyone.

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        3. Historian, citizen of  🌎 No fascist USA‏ @niknakhist 14 Oct 2021
          Replying to @lurkernonumbers @zeynep

          It wasn't fiction before Delta, it was something we could shoot for w/high levels of containment & vaccination globally. But that wasn't a geopolitical reality, & variants emerged that shut down that hypothetical future..oh. I guess you're right, it was fiction because capitalism

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        1. #MasksInSchools Dr Noor Bari‏ @NjbBari3 14 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          You can’t avoid exposure, but you can reduce the number of infections you have, and the dose you get infected by.

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        1. Steve Mushero‏ @stevemushero 14 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          So right - chances of unvax'd kids getting COVID in next 5 years seems near 100%, especially in poorly vax'd areas - here in Silicon Valley, quite safe now (very few school cases), but all parents I know will be vaxing at our school's already scheduled clinic next month.

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