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    1. Jasnah Kholin - 8964 - ACAB -  💉 💉‏ @wanderer_jasnah 4 Oct 2021

      Jasnah Kholin - 8964 - ACAB -  💉 💉 Retweeted Aris Katzourakis

      what's... your point exactly?https://twitter.com/ArisKatzourakis/status/1445038725529022475 …

      Jasnah Kholin - 8964 - ACAB -  💉 💉 added,

      Aris Katzourakis @ArisKatzourakis
      SARS-CoV-2 is more closely related to SARS-CoV-1 (SARS1) than to OC43 (one of the common cold viruses). Appreciate most who work on this know this.
      9 replies 1 retweet 23 likes
    2. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 4 Oct 2021
      Replying to @wanderer_jasnah

      "It's not going to become a common cold" I imagine

      3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Oct 2021
      Replying to @notdred @wanderer_jasnah

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      This the confusion. Viruses don't necessarily evolve towards less virulence, but, of course, as people get vaccinated/infected the disease is experienced as less severe, on average, next time: how many pandemics end. People confuse the two mechanisms.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1445046912013459457 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @zeynep @jbloom_lab and 2 others
      Also some of the issue seems to be some think viruses always evolve towards less virulence—not necessarily, selection pressure is on transmission—but then others conflate that correction with lessening severity due to immune memory (true regardless of host or virus evolution).
      8 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Oct 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred @wanderer_jasnah

      So people have been debunking "viruses don't always become less virulent" (exactly: that's why the link between novelty and severity is key) but then thinking this debunking means the disease burden will remain the same (hence the confusion: immune memory vs virus evolution).+

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Oct 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred @wanderer_jasnah

      ..somehow this got linked to people arguing about future severity? But people arguing this switch between evoking virulence versus immune memory arguments (hence few can make sense of it). 😁

      9:47 AM - 4 Oct 2021
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred @wanderer_jasnah

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Meanwhile I have questions. I asked Jasnah this before, too. What do people expect from first exposure being in adulthood? That's obviously a key difference from other HCoVs : having a novel virus pandemic while one is adult?https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1445045505084493827 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Replying to @jbloom_lab @jmcrookston @enn_nafnlaus
          Right, exactly. We also have the 1977 H1N1, sparing those older than ~26 because of exposure to ~1957 wave. So, two question/differences. One: We have vaccines, much better than for flu. Two: if first exposure (infection or vaccine) is in adulthood, does that change things?
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        3. Kelly Wind‏ @kellywind 4 Oct 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred @wanderer_jasnah

          It could be that, but it could also be that SARS2 just has a much higher inherent pathogenicity than the others. https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1009857 … Also, it looks like HKU1 probably only emerged in the 1990s. If so, it emerged mild, even in adults.

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