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    1. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021

      If booster doses could be whisked over to unvaccinated people I would send them in a heartbeat. If they can’t they should be used here. The immunology and short-term clinical data show value. I’m scratching my head at the people trashing them. Uptake will magnify the benefits.

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    2. Aaron Richterman, MD‏ @AaronRichterman 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @notdred

      Why can’t they? The argument that they will be thrown away feels tautological to me. If gov really wanted to send them, they could. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, especially when HICs going to hoard 100s millions more for the next round.https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/20/biden-vaccine-booster-supply-513134 …

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    3. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @AaronRichterman

      The “why can’t they” is not a question I can answer!

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @notdred @AaronRichterman

      I think his point isn't that: "otherwise they'd go to waste" is a thing of our own doing, not some teleological outcome. (I don't even begrudge anyone wanting a booster). But we'd otherwise waste them is our choice, not a "let's booster" argument.

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    5. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @AaronRichterman

      It’s our choice on a national level but the choice now is an individual one. Yes we should fight the first battle. But now we’re talking about what we would actually advise patients to do and “don’t take one because it should go abroad” is the framing I find strange

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @notdred @AaronRichterman

      Well, of course you can't advise individuals not to take it—that is the MD/clinical view, and I'm not disputing it at all—but you can still see the broader point that "it will otherwise go to waste" or "it's already here" is a reality of our making.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred @AaronRichterman

      I think most parents, as individuals, would not turn down a vaccine for their teen, but if you were setting policy, you'd vaccinate healthcare workers and the elderly first—globally—and that's the public health perspective. Individually, yes, people will take the vaccine/booster.

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    8. Aaron Richterman, MD‏ @AaronRichterman 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @notdred

      Exactly all of this. The created reality of doses that “will be trashed” has led to indisputably misallocated vaccine. This is being pushed by some as the natural state of affairs.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @AaronRichterman @notdred

      The part I've been thinking about is can you imagine what might happen if we got a Delta-specific booster? All the wealthy countries will buy every last dose while whatever mRNA capacity we have will likely get directed to that. Talk about suboptimal local minima.

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    10. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @AaronRichterman

      Lots of variables here though - does Delta predominate, do we have billions more doses of protein vaxes, etc. It’s definitely not going to be all mRNA forever, maybe not even for another 2-3 months.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @notdred @AaronRichterman

      Well, given how terrifyingly good Delta is finding the unvaccinated, if you got a Delta-specific vax, you'd want to immediately direct it to the unvaccinated with blanket coverage. What are the odds of that happening? It might turn into be fourth booster in wealthy countries.

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        2. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @AaronRichterman

          Yes, I think that’s sadly right. Although I think we’re much farther from deploying a Delta specific booster than many people think.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @notdred @AaronRichterman

          Yes I’m well aware of that. I just pointed it out as an example of how things are.

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        2. Mark Lindsay‏ @MarkELindsay 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred @AaronRichterman

          I’m confused, why would people that already aren’t choosing to be vaccinated choose differently if a Delta specific vaccine was available? It would certainly be great if unvaccinated people would get vaccinated but that’s an option for them right now

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        3. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @MarkELindsay @zeynep @AaronRichterman

          I think she means unvaccinated internationally

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        1. Govind Persad‏ @GovindPersad 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred @AaronRichterman

          People would then insist that we shouldn’t judge HICs for providing a Delta booster because it’s “clinically optimal” I agree w/Ed that forgoing boosters that won’t be sent overseas isn’t sensible. But policy should approach pandemics at a population not a clinical level

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