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    1. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021

      If booster doses could be whisked over to unvaccinated people I would send them in a heartbeat. If they can’t they should be used here. The immunology and short-term clinical data show value. I’m scratching my head at the people trashing them. Uptake will magnify the benefits.

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    2. Aaron Richterman, MD‏ @AaronRichterman 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @notdred

      Why can’t they? The argument that they will be thrown away feels tautological to me. If gov really wanted to send them, they could. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, especially when HICs going to hoard 100s millions more for the next round.https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/20/biden-vaccine-booster-supply-513134 …

      4 replies 1 retweet 19 likes
    3. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @AaronRichterman

      The “why can’t they” is not a question I can answer!

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @notdred @AaronRichterman

      I think his point isn't that: "otherwise they'd go to waste" is a thing of our own doing, not some teleological outcome. (I don't even begrudge anyone wanting a booster). But we'd otherwise waste them is our choice, not a "let's booster" argument.

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    5. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @AaronRichterman

      It’s our choice on a national level but the choice now is an individual one. Yes we should fight the first battle. But now we’re talking about what we would actually advise patients to do and “don’t take one because it should go abroad” is the framing I find strange

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @notdred @AaronRichterman

      Well, of course you can't advise individuals not to take it—that is the MD/clinical view, and I'm not disputing it at all—but you can still see the broader point that "it will otherwise go to waste" or "it's already here" is a reality of our making.

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        2. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @AaronRichterman

          Definitely agree.

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        3. Toxchick‏ @toxchick42 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @notdred @zeynep @AaronRichterman

          Once drugs have been shipped to terminal place, you can’t ship back. You don’t have good record of storage and accountability.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred @AaronRichterman

          I think most parents, as individuals, would not turn down a vaccine for their teen, but if you were setting policy, you'd vaccinate healthcare workers and the elderly first—globally—and that's the public health perspective. Individually, yes, people will take the vaccine/booster.

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        3. Aaron Richterman, MD‏ @AaronRichterman 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred

          Exactly all of this. The created reality of doses that “will be trashed” has led to indisputably misallocated vaccine. This is being pushed by some as the natural state of affairs.

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        2. Will Hoenig‏ @WilliamBHoenig 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @notdred @AaronRichterman

          yes there is something a little icky to me about “well Biden ensured these are trapped in America, guess I’d better get a booster” even though that’s exactly what I’m saying

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        3. Will Hoenig‏ @WilliamBHoenig 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @WilliamBHoenig @zeynep and

          The doses being stuck in America is a decision exogenous to me! I guess!

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