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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

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      Would be really interested to read a history of symptom accounts of the 1890 pandemic from primary sources (including non-medical). I had read papers (and know specialists who think so) that suggested non-influenza—instead another coronavirus. I had found the anosmia compelling.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1442570827766116352 …

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      Replying to @jbloom_lab @wanderer_jasnah
      The previous maybe? pandemic influenza is 1857-1858. (Though obviously ~winter epidemics). So about a generation to 1890. I want to summon a dissertation to being here by a medical historian to go through what became "assumed" and what might stand out. pic.twitter.com/JuGOBxIa2l
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

      If you go up the thread, you'll see people with a lot of knowledge/expertise disagree on the strength of the evidence of what it was. (Pulling this part out of that thread because some want to debate something else: do pandemics end? I don't think that is controversial: they do).

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

      In any case, after looking through the history of how the aerosol/airborne debate actually went down, versus what the textbooks said, I think it's really useful to look at history at times with fresh eyes. Did we really know this, or did we conclude something and kept asserting?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

      Anyway, due to another interest of mine, I have read a good deal of primary medical sources from the 19th century (for another virus, different topic). There is a lot of detail there, and people may not have had genomic tools, but there was definitely a lot of hypothesis testing.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

          So anyone wants to start a substack or knows of a book/dissertation with historical primary texts where people/doctors describe their clinical experience/symptoms for (whatever) 1890 was, especially in comparison to right before/after knowledge/assumptions. Send a flare. :-D

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        2. AyriTutmak‏ @wouter0 27 Sep 2021
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          from 1666 onwards, London has not been visited by the plague anymore in an epidemical way, despite that nobody is immune until the present day, that there have always been local outbreaks, and that the bacillus hasn't become less virulent. never seen a logical explanation...

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        3. AyriTutmak‏ @wouter0 27 Sep 2021
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          (it was not the black rat vs brown rat thing, and also it wasn't the great fire that killed the germs like Defoe already mentioned 👇) https://livros01.livrosgratis.com.br/gu000376.pdf pic.twitter.com/wOr2xHmBO4

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