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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

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    Would be really interested to read a history of symptom accounts of the 1890 pandemic from primary sources (including non-medical). I had read papers (and know specialists who think so) that suggested non-influenza—instead another coronavirus. I had found the anosmia compelling.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1442570827766116352 …

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    zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
    Replying to @jbloom_lab @wanderer_jasnah
    The previous maybe? pandemic influenza is 1857-1858. (Though obviously ~winter epidemics). So about a generation to 1890. I want to summon a dissertation to being here by a medical historian to go through what became "assumed" and what might stand out. pic.twitter.com/JuGOBxIa2l
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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

        If you go up the thread, you'll see people with a lot of knowledge/expertise disagree on the strength of the evidence of what it was. (Pulling this part out of that thread because some want to debate something else: do pandemics end? I don't think that is controversial: they do).

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

        In any case, after looking through the history of how the aerosol/airborne debate actually went down, versus what the textbooks said, I think it's really useful to look at history at times with fresh eyes. Did we really know this, or did we conclude something and kept asserting?

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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

        Anyway, due to another interest of mine, I have read a good deal of primary medical sources from the 19th century (for another virus, different topic). There is a lot of detail there, and people may not have had genomic tools, but there was definitely a lot of hypothesis testing.

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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

        So anyone wants to start a substack or knows of a book/dissertation with historical primary texts where people/doctors describe their clinical experience/symptoms for (whatever) 1890 was, especially in comparison to right before/after knowledge/assumptions. Send a flare. :-D

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      2. Radical Centrist, “mildly” wrathful tantric deity‏ @RadCentrism 27 Sep 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        Radical Centrist, “mildly” wrathful tantric deity Retweeted Radical Centrist, “mildly” wrathful tantric deity

        This is great. But can you please provide more nuance with any discussion that advances the “Covid will attenuate” narrative (since there is currently zero evidence it will)?https://twitter.com/RadCentrism/status/1442546360901791751 …

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        Radical Centrist, “mildly” wrathful tantric deity @RadCentrism
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        Right. (1) There is currently *zero* evidence that Covid will attenuate. (2) Current evidence points to the opposite. (3) The deductive hypotheses that it will attenuate is based upon extremely shaky theoretical mechanisms (for which, again, there is no supporting evidence).
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      3. Gummy Bear Messiah‏ @zero132132 28 Sep 2021
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        That our immune systems won't be naive to it anymore is the difference, not any change of the virus itself.

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      1. Avi Zenilman‏ @avizvizenilman 27 Sep 2021
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        cc @honigsbaum

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      2. midnucas #FueraLUMA  🇵🇷‏ @midnucas 27 Sep 2021
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        I assume you've seen this paper, but (a) just in case and (b) for other people seeing your threadhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8441924/ …

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
        Replying to @midnucas

        Yeah I'd seen that. There is a lot of back-and-forth between various people in the field on the details (that I will wait for them to write in papers) but my personal interest is how certain types of knowledge evolves over time, and the symptom set is a great starting point.

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      1. Karl Pettersson‏ @KarlPettersso10 27 Sep 2021
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        This is a volume from 1890 about the first wave of the 1889 pandemic in Sweden, with epidemiological and clinical discussions (it is in Swedish, however, with some summaries in French and German).https://digital.ub.umu.se/resolve?urn=urn:18a_000683 …

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