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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

      Do people know that the 1890 pandemic was likely caused by another coronavirus, OC43 (that was then novel?) Nowadays, no longer novel, it is one of the causes of the common cold. We're obviously not living in the OC43 pandemic since, and we won't live in a COVID pandemic forever.

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    2. Bloom Lab‏ @jbloom_lab 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I think evidence for 1889-1890 pandemic being caused by OC43 is pretty dubious. There is good seroarchaeology evidence (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2557748/ …) that there was a flu pandemic (probably H3N8) in 1889-1890. In addition, ... (1/3)

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    3. Bloom Lab‏ @jbloom_lab 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @jbloom_lab @zeynep

      ... after OC43 / 1889-90 idea started to gain popular press, I went back & read some historical accounts of 1889-90 pandemic (eg, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1279164530 … & https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/3337889379 …). Drs were already quite familiar with influenza then, and they all thought 1889-90 was flu. (2/3)

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    4. Bloom Lab‏ @jbloom_lab 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @jbloom_lab @zeynep

      As far as I can tell, argument for 1889-90 being OC43 comes from one study that briefly does a molecular clock analysis that put divergence of OC43 and BCoV in late 1800s, and then popular media ran with it without much examination. (3/3)

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @jbloom_lab

      Fascinating, thank you. What do you make of the anosmia?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @jbloom_lab

      Or the age structure of severity? Or that another hCoV might be a candidate? (I should tweet more often—someone in the mentions may have found a lung specimen to test.)

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jbloom_lab

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Kyle Wolf

          Just tying it here, too! (I had found the anosmia & loss of taste pretty striking as evidence of non-influenza since, as far as I know, that is not something we see in human influenza but now we know is an hCoV thing. But please someone find lung tissue).https://twitter.com/renegadenarwhal/status/1442532000678637572 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Kyle Wolf @renegadenarwhal
          Replying to @DFisman @zeynep @VoiceOfFranky
          The H2 finding is also based on *really* flimsy evidence. It's a single serology study from the 1950s comparing influenza recognition between people born before and after 1890. It was done under the assumption that it must have been flu. All we know is h2 was circulating
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        3. Pinboard‏ @Pinboard 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jbloom_lab

          I could swear I saw an old set of lungs in the attic. But you can never find them when you want them

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        2. Roby Bhattacharyya‏ @roby_bhatt 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jbloom_lab

          You didn't ask me, but I find the anosmia more convincing than the age structure of severity - I think the latter is just about novelty (ie, it's more about us humans than about the pathogen). All-cause mortality has a similar trend (https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/370/bmj.m3259.full.pdf …)pic.twitter.com/EH6iZqKLrA

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @roby_bhatt @jbloom_lab

          I'd always want to ask you. :-D I was struck by the "perverted" smell and taste in the historical descriptions. Also the sequelae incidentally. Brain fog, fatigue, post-exertional malaise...pic.twitter.com/11ARL1PQ15

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        2. Bloom Lab‏ @jbloom_lab 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Flu also has skewed age distribution w higher mortality among elderly, although not as extreme as COVID-19. @MichaelWorobey refers to evidence of *lower* mortality among those >70 in 1968 H3N2 pandemic presumably from antibodies to H3 from 1889 pandemic (https://www.pnas.org/content/111/22/8107 …)

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        3. Bloom Lab‏ @jbloom_lab 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @jbloom_lab @zeynep @MichaelWorobey

          Bloom Lab Retweeted Bloom Lab

          Flu can cause anosmia although not as prominent as for COVID19. But was anosmia that prominent symptom of 1889-90? When I read old accounts (https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1442542258515968001 …) anosmia wasn't brought up much. Mostly seen it in new reviews arguing for 1889 as OC43 w/o much primary citation.

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          Bloom Lab @jbloom_lab
          Replying to @jbloom_lab @zeynep
          ... after OC43 / 1889-90 idea started to gain popular press, I went back & read some historical accounts of 1889-90 pandemic (eg, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1279164530 … & https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/3337889379 …). Drs were already quite familiar with influenza then, and they all thought 1889-90 was flu. (2/3)
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        1. Kelly Wind‏ @kellywind 28 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @jbloom_lab

          Anosmia: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2089647 … Age structure of flu severity: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1127698/influenza-us-deaths-by-age-group/ … https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm …

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