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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

      Do people know that the 1890 pandemic was likely caused by another coronavirus, OC43 (that was then novel?) Nowadays, no longer novel, it is one of the causes of the common cold. We're obviously not living in the OC43 pandemic since, and we won't live in a COVID pandemic forever.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

      I'll reshare this piece by @dylanhmorris on why the *novel* part of the phrase "novel coronavirus" is key. There are two ways to make the virus no longer novel to one's immune system: vaccination (yay lowest risk) or infection (the risky, dangerous path).https://www.theinsight.org/p/novelty-means-severity-the-key-to …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

      Of course, OC43 remains dangerous to the elderly—especially those living in nursing homes—because humans aren't immortal and our immune systems fail as we age, and congregate living is especially dangerous. For the immunocompetent: OC43 causes the common cold and no crisis.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

          Personally, I'm for aggressive public health measures—too much preventable suffering. We don't put up with food poisoning, so why not better ventilation or other measures against respiratory illnesses, for example. But SARS-CoV-2 isn't some virus that stands against all biology.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

          Also, flu pandemics happen, of course, but they too end once it is no longer novel to enough people. (And flu has a lot of tricks this virus does not have). Plus, we have vaccines now (we did not for flu for 1918 but that one ended, too). It sucks, truly, but it's not endless.

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

          Unlike many terrible *past* pandemics (yes, past), we have vaccines now. Ideally, we move forward by learning from all this: how to get ready for next time, and how to reduce disease burden from all respiratory illnesses. But viruses do not stand outside biology and history.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Prof Francois Balloux

          One informed dissent to my "likely"—though I'll keep the original point: pandemics end and viruses don't stand outside of all known biology or history. We're facing a coronavirus (not the first time), and there are already vaccines.https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1442534762783072259 …

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          Prof Francois BallouxVerified account @BallouxFrancois
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          The 1890/91 'Russian flu' having 'likely' been caused by HCoV-OC43 may be a bit too strong s statement. It is not implausible that the 1890/91 'Russian flu' was caused by one of the current endemic coronaviruses, though OC43 may not be the best candidate. 1/
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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Bloom Lab

          Another informed perspective on what else it may have been. (I'll repeat: it ended!)https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1442541684651225088 …

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          Bloom Lab @jbloom_lab
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          I think evidence for 1889-1890 pandemic being caused by OC43 is pretty dubious. There is good seroarchaeology evidence (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2557748/ …) that there was a flu pandemic (probably H3N8) in 1889-1890. In addition, ... (1/3)
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        2. Graeme Blake‏ @graemeblake 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Just read a report of someone double vaccinated having heart problems after a breakthrough. Could any common cold coronavirus do this in the immunocompetent? What is the theory: we would need many boosters/childhood infections before our immunity to SARS-Cov-2 is sufficient?

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        3. Graeme Blake‏ @graemeblake 27 Sep 2021
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          Because simplest hypothesis seems simply to be that SARS-Cov-2 is more virulent. Would anyone make argument that SARS-1 or MERS are just like common cold coronaviruses once immunity present?

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