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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Sep 2021

      In the UK, 90% of everyone over 16 has had at least one dose of a COVID vaccine and they had a Delta wave catching many of the unvaccinated. Trying to squint to understand why “it’s a mystery” for hospitalizations to go down even without huge restrictions.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/24/a-bit-of-a-mistery-why-england-covid-cases-are-going-down-despite-ease-of-restrictions …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lainey

      Of course. I mean, how can it not? (Obviously much better to gain immunity without risking major illness, hence the vaccination).https://twitter.com/realLainey/status/1442359586086965250 …

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      Lainey @realLainey
      Replying to @zeynep
      Just to be clear, you're saying the Delta cases added more (natural) immunity, right?
      10:26 PM - 26 Sep 2021
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        2. David Terrell‏ @dbt 26 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Not an expert, but I also feel like each outbreak has a random subset of the population that is more susceptible to it than average, and it burns through that subgroup faster than the rest and then drops.

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        3. Natanael, tech custodial engineer‏ @Natanael_L 26 Sep 2021
          Replying to @dbt @zeynep

          And initially, the main part of that group were the elderly.

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        1. Long Covid News‏ @LongCovidNews 26 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I did learn this week that they do not include reinfections in these numbers

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        1. daniel murzea‏ @DMurzea 26 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          How is this even a question?!?!

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        2. jessems.eth‏ @jessems 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          jessems.eth Retweeted jessems.eth

          Individually yes. But what if vaccine-induced immunity, at a population-level, selects for more infectious variants?https://twitter.com/jessems/status/1442381269225062401 …

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          jessems.eth @jessems
          00:42:49 GVB: When you then compare that to the situation where 75% is vaccinated (small slits) and 25% is not (big slits), you end up with 80% of the surviving strains being of the More-infectious type. pic.twitter.com/NwmGRfoJuU
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        3. Richard Fergie‏ @RichardFergie 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @jessems @zeynep

          I think more infectious variants are selected for even without vaccinations

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        2. Fyodor‏ @Fyodor32768 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I think that it's not just the overall very high vaccination rates but the near total coverage of the older and more vulnerable. Something like 99 percent over 50.

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        3. Andy Schmidt‏ @andyaschmidt 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @Fyodor32768 @zeynep

          Yeah we need to flip to look at the percent of 65 plus people that are unprotected. US is about 15% and UK 3%. That's 5 times as many.

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        1. Andy Schmidt‏ @andyaschmidt 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          People suck at math. If they have 97% over 65 vaccinated and US as 85% those look close. But flip them and it's 15% unprotected compared to 3%. Obviously you get roughly 5 times more hospitalized and dead.

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        2. Rocky Bronzino‏ @Belevatini 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          If you get a virus and survive, you have some natural immunity to that virus. That's how the complement system works. How long and what degree, hard to tell. Also, it should not be called immunity, should be called acquired pattern recognition or something like that.

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        3. kenlipartito‏ @kenlipartito 27 Sep 2021
          Replying to @Belevatini @zeynep

          The new conceit is that “natural immunity is much much much stronger than vaccination, the Israeli study proved it beyond any shadow of a doubt so I don’t have to risk getting the vaccine.” A possibility true fact stretched as far as it can go. When pushed they trot out VAERS

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