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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Burn-Murdoch

      Disagree. We should be honest. IT IS A ZERO-SUM GAME. Vaccine manufacturers are not able to meet demand. Production is already maxed out. If we hoard or have vaccines expire rather than share, that doesn't make it a non zero-sum game, it just makes us morally bankrupt.https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1438103141216575490 …

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      John Burn-MurdochVerified account @jburnmurdoch
      Now with two injections (sorry) of nuance: 1) I don’t think it’s helpful to think of vaccine supply as a zero-sum game. Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand, and it’s not as simple as booster doses being diverted from Africa
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    2. Paul Bieniasz‏ @PaulBieniasz 15 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      A couple of points. 1. If we give 200m boosters in USA, that's a small fraction of doses needed for the world 2. How many doses shipped to pharmacies in Alabama/Mississipi etc will expire there because people won't take them? Better to give them as 3rd shots to those who will.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Sep 2021
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      Indeed, need is large as vulnerable populations and healthcare workers in poor countries wait—due to lack of supply. For 65+, the IFR (outside nursing homes) is more than one percent, so that 200 million doses is ~2 million preventable deaths—using the most conservative estimate.pic.twitter.com/qfyFIKQUX2

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 16 Sep 2021
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          We should, of course, do everything to make sure doses are used, rather than expiring, especially since the lack of supply has left more than half the world’s population, especially the ones in poorer countries, without any vaccine protection. Looks like into 2022 at this rate.

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        2. Michele‏ @Michele_PhD_ 16 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @wanderer_jasnah @PaulBieniasz

          Again I’m on the fence about giving boosters to healthy adults/kids. But did you assume ALL the individuals who get these 200m doses (100m individuals essentially) would be infected with Covid to reach your saving 2m people? (1/2)

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        3. Jasnah Kholin - 8964 - ACAB -  💉 💉‏ @wanderer_jasnah 16 Sep 2021
          Replying to @Michele_PhD_ @zeynep @PaulBieniasz

          i'm assuming we have 6 months tops before everyone alive&immunocompetent in the world (w/isolated handfuls of exceptions at best) seroconverts, our only choice is via infection or vaccination. if your argument is "not everyone will be exposed", no, everyone will be exposed.

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        1. Michele‏ @Michele_PhD_ 16 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @wanderer_jasnah @PaulBieniasz

          And how can you be sure these 200m doses wouldn’t reach the arms of the young healthy non-HCW relatives of the corrupt politicians first in these countries?

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        1. Michele‏ @Michele_PhD_ 16 Sep 2021
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          Considering half of the adult population in this country is obese, the percentage of adults in the US who are neither old nor having some pre-existing condition(s) is actually pretty small.

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