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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Burn-Murdoch

      Disagree. We should be honest. IT IS A ZERO-SUM GAME. Vaccine manufacturers are not able to meet demand. Production is already maxed out. If we hoard or have vaccines expire rather than share, that doesn't make it a non zero-sum game, it just makes us morally bankrupt.https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1438103141216575490 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      John Burn-MurdochVerified account @jburnmurdoch
      Now with two injections (sorry) of nuance: 1) I don’t think it’s helpful to think of vaccine supply as a zero-sum game. Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand, and it’s not as simple as booster doses being diverted from Africa
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      I'm not disagreeing that boosters may well be indicated for the elderly and the immunocompromised. J&J needs a booster. But, let's not lie to ourselves. SUPPLY IS LIMITED. A third dose here is a first dose denied to someone else. Whatever we choose, that is just plain reality.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lúcás Meier

      Yep. That is not the case whatsoever. Look, I understand nations make such choices. There are groups for whom a third shot can provide a measurable benefit, and I'm not begrudging any individual at risk wanting one. Of course. But it *is* a zero-sum game.https://twitter.com/cronokirby/status/1438115186813063173 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Lúcás Meier @cronokirby
      Replying to @zeynep
      "Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand" implies that the current lack of supply is because of insufficient demand, which doesn't seem to be the case.
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Diego Bez.

      I've been writing, begging whatever little I can do since the beginning that we should do *whatever* we can do to increase supply—waiving patents is "thoughts and prayers", not enough—and to be serious about dose sparing and prioritizing. But here we are.https://twitter.com/Diegobez/status/1438117288331431950 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Diego Bez. @Diegobez
      I wish we don't see the vaccine supply as an inevitably-limited supply.I'd like to see more effort in increasing that supply. It's "just" a (not huge)money problem, a problem that should not be left to private company's decision. It's a public health matter, live or die decisions https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1438115805342932997 …
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志

      Yeah. Even countries with money can't find vaccines to purchase. Honestly, I think vaccine manufacturers have increased supply as much as they can, and it's not really patents that are the key bottleneck. We needed government-level global action. Tragic.https://twitter.com/chasewnelson/status/1438117742209495043 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志 @chasewnelson
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      Here in #Taiwan, we can't find a way to BUY everyone dose 1. In low-income countries, <2% have dose 1. This is where new globe-altering variants will arise.
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭

      I've no interest in defending patents *but* I believe this belief to be a misunderstanding and a leftover from the HIV fight. Scaling up/transferring vaccine production in a pandemic timescale needs much more than opening up the tech. We didn't do it.https://twitter.com/murchiston/status/1438122674874691591 …

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      jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭 @murchiston
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      Vaccine manufacturers may not be able to meet demand, but by open sourcing the vaccines and increasing production to first max out available capacity with a view to building out new plant could change the game from artificial scarcity to positive sum (except for narrow interests)
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      It's appealing to believe there is a non-zero sum solution to the global vaccine supply crisis—magical supply increase via waiving patents etc. There is not. Not blaming individuals. Not saying boosters wouldn't help (though clearly some more than others). But reality is reality.

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        1. Adam Welz‏ @AdamWelz 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          People have a hard time accepting limits to growth. Ask any environmentalist.

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        1. SlingshotPeriwinkle‏ @White_Shadow81 15 Sep 2021
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          I’m holding out hope for nasal vax rollout.

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        1. Nicholas Weaver‏Verified account @ncweaver 15 Sep 2021
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          Has there been any update on the candidate that was designed to be manufactured on existing influenza egg-lines?

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        1. Sebastian Good‏ @sebastiangood 15 Sep 2021
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          To some extent the market is what we make it. A zero sum game can be turned into a growth game. Mandates, subsidies, liabilities, regulatory rules can all be aligned to expand the size of the market.

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        1. Graham Lester‏ @GrahamCLester 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          So, what action could be taken right now that will minimize the consequences of failing to act in the past? If I refuse a booster will that genuinely free up a dose for someone else?

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        1. Charlie Kirkham‏ @0_kirkham 15 Sep 2021
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          Can you describe what the limiting factors are for global vaccine production and why demand can't be met?

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        1. Wanting better‏ @cschneider8224 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          What absolutely infuriates me is that Nate doesn't address any of the bottlenecks or real-world supply issues. He asserts infinite supply out of thin air. Or out of a sly - well, in the tbd "long term" supply should rise.Knowing full well that time is a key factor in vaccination.

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        1. MrCheeze‏ @MrCheeze_ 15 Sep 2021
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          Seems unbelievable that there could be no room for improvement even with government levels of funding... but even if that was the case, things still aren't zero sum (since first doses/fractional doses give a lot more benefit from the same amount of vaccine compared to boosters)

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        1.  ⚡️Karolina Maciąg  😷‏ @KMaciag 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Even the glass vials used to make the vaccines are not infinite in supply - my hospital (and others) are limiting blood culture draws etc due to the medical glass shortage.

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        2. Hyo Yoon KANG 강효윤‏ @hyoyoonkang 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          none of the IP scholars in favor of the waiver are saying it’s a magic bullet but a necessary clearance for freedom to operate incl. ramping up supply bottlenecks. We wrote about it here https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3851737 …

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        3. Hyo Yoon KANG 강효윤‏ @hyoyoonkang 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @hyoyoonkang @zeynep

          Almost 200 international IP specialists support the waiver as part of a multi pronged approach, it’s not a binaryhttps://research.kent.ac.uk/socril/ip-scholarship-trips-waiver/ …

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