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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Burn-Murdoch

      Disagree. We should be honest. IT IS A ZERO-SUM GAME. Vaccine manufacturers are not able to meet demand. Production is already maxed out. If we hoard or have vaccines expire rather than share, that doesn't make it a non zero-sum game, it just makes us morally bankrupt.https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1438103141216575490 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      John Burn-MurdochVerified account @jburnmurdoch
      Now with two injections (sorry) of nuance: 1) I don’t think it’s helpful to think of vaccine supply as a zero-sum game. Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand, and it’s not as simple as booster doses being diverted from Africa
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      I'm not disagreeing that boosters may well be indicated for the elderly and the immunocompromised. J&J needs a booster. But, let's not lie to ourselves. SUPPLY IS LIMITED. A third dose here is a first dose denied to someone else. Whatever we choose, that is just plain reality.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lúcás Meier

      Yep. That is not the case whatsoever. Look, I understand nations make such choices. There are groups for whom a third shot can provide a measurable benefit, and I'm not begrudging any individual at risk wanting one. Of course. But it *is* a zero-sum game.https://twitter.com/cronokirby/status/1438115186813063173 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Lúcás Meier @cronokirby
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      "Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand" implies that the current lack of supply is because of insufficient demand, which doesn't seem to be the case.
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Diego Bez.

      I've been writing, begging whatever little I can do since the beginning that we should do *whatever* we can do to increase supply—waiving patents is "thoughts and prayers", not enough—and to be serious about dose sparing and prioritizing. But here we are.https://twitter.com/Diegobez/status/1438117288331431950 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Diego Bez. @Diegobez
      I wish we don't see the vaccine supply as an inevitably-limited supply.I'd like to see more effort in increasing that supply. It's "just" a (not huge)money problem, a problem that should not be left to private company's decision. It's a public health matter, live or die decisions https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1438115805342932997 …
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志

      Yeah. Even countries with money can't find vaccines to purchase. Honestly, I think vaccine manufacturers have increased supply as much as they can, and it's not really patents that are the key bottleneck. We needed government-level global action. Tragic.https://twitter.com/chasewnelson/status/1438117742209495043 …

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      Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志 @chasewnelson
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      Here in #Taiwan, we can't find a way to BUY everyone dose 1. In low-income countries, <2% have dose 1. This is where new globe-altering variants will arise.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭

      I've no interest in defending patents *but* I believe this belief to be a misunderstanding and a leftover from the HIV fight. Scaling up/transferring vaccine production in a pandemic timescale needs much more than opening up the tech. We didn't do it.https://twitter.com/murchiston/status/1438122674874691591 …

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      jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭 @murchiston
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      Vaccine manufacturers may not be able to meet demand, but by open sourcing the vaccines and increasing production to first max out available capacity with a view to building out new plant could change the game from artificial scarcity to positive sum (except for narrow interests)
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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

          It's appealing to believe there is a non-zero sum solution to the global vaccine supply crisis—magical supply increase via waiving patents etc. There is not. Not blaming individuals. Not saying boosters wouldn't help (though clearly some more than others). But reality is reality.

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        2. Andre Beltempo‏ @AndreBeltempo 15 Sep 2021
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          100%. Complex manufacturing of stuff has an enormous amount of 'know-how' or tribal knowledge, in addition to all the physical inputs. It would be like Boeing or Airbus giving all their design drawings for everything to a 3rd party and telling them to start building planes now.

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        3. Andre Beltempo‏ @AndreBeltempo 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @AndreBeltempo @zeynep

          So @zeynep is right - the vaccine mfgs would have needed to do more than just give people the recipe - they would've needed to do a tech / know-how transfer. Can only come if governments provide coordination (just like US Gov DPA for Ford / Lockheed making Boeing bombers in WWII)

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        1. jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭‏ @murchiston 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          I understand it’s a complex issue; there are raw material constraints, quality control issues, technology transfer throughput, etc - what (inc others) are most critical in your view? All the same many argue IP is a long-standing block to optimal vaccine innovation and production.

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        1. jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭‏ @murchiston 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          There’s still time; the pandemic won’t be over any time soon, especially without capacity building in the majority world with a goal of total population basic healthcare coverage.

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        1. rst‏ @rsthau 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          On the flip side, the government *has* spun up novel industrial processes at a colossal scale on timelines short enough to be relevant, when survival is on the line -- e.g., the Manhattan Project plant at Oak Ridge. Would be nice to have a plant like that for this stuff.

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        1. Sandip Bhattacharya  💉4 🌏 ✌️‏ @sandipb 15 Sep 2021
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          A lot of the "we can't do it in time" arguments assume the pandemic to be short term. We have been talking about doing it for over 6 months now. If we only got rid of this line of argument& accept that the supply demand problems are a five year problem, this could have been done

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        1. Tom Sear‏ @TomSear 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          yup yup agreed, its true in the case of Africa and HIV there was lag and IP share l8 - but equally HIV is only reason we turned the vax around in time - well malaria really - but yep

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        2.  🚲 🚎 🥑‏ @crzwdjk 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          In particular mRNA is a new technology that requires its own new and unique manufacturing processes and those take time to get up and running at scale.

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        3.  🚲 🚎 🥑‏ @crzwdjk 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @crzwdjk @zeynep

          Chemical engineering fact of life: if you run a reaction in a 1 liter tank, it works fine. If you run the same reaction but with 100x more of the reactants in a 100 liter tank, it may well just explode.

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