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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Burn-Murdoch

      Disagree. We should be honest. IT IS A ZERO-SUM GAME. Vaccine manufacturers are not able to meet demand. Production is already maxed out. If we hoard or have vaccines expire rather than share, that doesn't make it a non zero-sum game, it just makes us morally bankrupt.https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1438103141216575490 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      John Burn-MurdochVerified account @jburnmurdoch
      Now with two injections (sorry) of nuance: 1) I don’t think it’s helpful to think of vaccine supply as a zero-sum game. Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand, and it’s not as simple as booster doses being diverted from Africa
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      I'm not disagreeing that boosters may well be indicated for the elderly and the immunocompromised. J&J needs a booster. But, let's not lie to ourselves. SUPPLY IS LIMITED. A third dose here is a first dose denied to someone else. Whatever we choose, that is just plain reality.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lúcás Meier

      Yep. That is not the case whatsoever. Look, I understand nations make such choices. There are groups for whom a third shot can provide a measurable benefit, and I'm not begrudging any individual at risk wanting one. Of course. But it *is* a zero-sum game.https://twitter.com/cronokirby/status/1438115186813063173 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Lúcás Meier @cronokirby
      Replying to @zeynep
      "Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand" implies that the current lack of supply is because of insufficient demand, which doesn't seem to be the case.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Diego Bez.

      I've been writing, begging whatever little I can do since the beginning that we should do *whatever* we can do to increase supply—waiving patents is "thoughts and prayers", not enough—and to be serious about dose sparing and prioritizing. But here we are.https://twitter.com/Diegobez/status/1438117288331431950 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Diego Bez. @Diegobez
      I wish we don't see the vaccine supply as an inevitably-limited supply.I'd like to see more effort in increasing that supply. It's "just" a (not huge)money problem, a problem that should not be left to private company's decision. It's a public health matter, live or die decisions https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1438115805342932997 …
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志

          Yeah. Even countries with money can't find vaccines to purchase. Honestly, I think vaccine manufacturers have increased supply as much as they can, and it's not really patents that are the key bottleneck. We needed government-level global action. Tragic.https://twitter.com/chasewnelson/status/1438117742209495043 …

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          Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志 @chasewnelson
          Replying to @zeynep
          Here in #Taiwan, we can't find a way to BUY everyone dose 1. In low-income countries, <2% have dose 1. This is where new globe-altering variants will arise.
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭

          I've no interest in defending patents *but* I believe this belief to be a misunderstanding and a leftover from the HIV fight. Scaling up/transferring vaccine production in a pandemic timescale needs much more than opening up the tech. We didn't do it.https://twitter.com/murchiston/status/1438122674874691591 …

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          jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭 @murchiston
          Replying to @zeynep
          Vaccine manufacturers may not be able to meet demand, but by open sourcing the vaccines and increasing production to first max out available capacity with a view to building out new plant could change the game from artificial scarcity to positive sum (except for narrow interests)
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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

          It's appealing to believe there is a non-zero sum solution to the global vaccine supply crisis—magical supply increase via waiving patents etc. There is not. Not blaming individuals. Not saying boosters wouldn't help (though clearly some more than others). But reality is reality.

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        2. Ikeruga‏ @Ikeruga 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          If it's thoughts and prayers, why are companies and the countries defending them hell bent on not waiving them? Why are orgs like Doctors Without Borders supporting the waiver? I understand it's more complex, but surely it's part of the solution.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @Ikeruga

          I think part of it is muscle memory from the HIV fight where it was the obstacle (one of the most morally disgraceful periods in global public health). That said, I've no objection to obliterating patents, but vaccine manufacturing genuinely isn't easy to scale up or transfer.

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        2. Matt Stoller‏Verified account @matthewstoller 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Seems like it's more than thoughts and prayers.pic.twitter.com/HJp8pD1UB6

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @matthewstoller

          Some vaccines (like the Chinese ones you highlight above) are indeed easier to produce, and even those above did not happen by merely opening up the technology. Also, I think of the above, only Argentina is real with localization: the rest are headlines and, so far, vaporware.

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        1. Robert Waldmann‏ @robertwaldmann 15 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          Dose sparing indeed. The phase 1 data suggest 25mg work about as well as 100 mg. Also it is not clear to me how much supply can be increased by throwing money at the problem (not amounts Moderna or even Pfizer can manage; I mean real money).

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