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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

    zeynep tufekci Retweeted John Burn-Murdoch

    Disagree. We should be honest. IT IS A ZERO-SUM GAME. Vaccine manufacturers are not able to meet demand. Production is already maxed out. If we hoard or have vaccines expire rather than share, that doesn't make it a non zero-sum game, it just makes us morally bankrupt.https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1438103141216575490 …

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    John Burn-MurdochVerified account @jburnmurdoch
    Now with two injections (sorry) of nuance: 1) I don’t think it’s helpful to think of vaccine supply as a zero-sum game. Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand, and it’s not as simple as booster doses being diverted from Africa
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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

        I'm not disagreeing that boosters may well be indicated for the elderly and the immunocompromised. J&J needs a booster. But, let's not lie to ourselves. SUPPLY IS LIMITED. A third dose here is a first dose denied to someone else. Whatever we choose, that is just plain reality.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Lúcás Meier

        Yep. That is not the case whatsoever. Look, I understand nations make such choices. There are groups for whom a third shot can provide a measurable benefit, and I'm not begrudging any individual at risk wanting one. Of course. But it *is* a zero-sum game.https://twitter.com/cronokirby/status/1438115186813063173 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Lúcás Meier @cronokirby
        Replying to @zeynep
        "Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand" implies that the current lack of supply is because of insufficient demand, which doesn't seem to be the case.
        3 replies 10 retweets 185 likes
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      4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Diego Bez.

        I've been writing, begging whatever little I can do since the beginning that we should do *whatever* we can do to increase supply—waiving patents is "thoughts and prayers", not enough—and to be serious about dose sparing and prioritizing. But here we are.https://twitter.com/Diegobez/status/1438117288331431950 …

        zeynep tufekci added,

        Diego Bez. @Diegobez
        I wish we don't see the vaccine supply as an inevitably-limited supply.I'd like to see more effort in increasing that supply. It's "just" a (not huge)money problem, a problem that should not be left to private company's decision. It's a public health matter, live or die decisions https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1438115805342932997 …
        5 replies 18 retweets 172 likes
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      5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志

        Yeah. Even countries with money can't find vaccines to purchase. Honestly, I think vaccine manufacturers have increased supply as much as they can, and it's not really patents that are the key bottleneck. We needed government-level global action. Tragic.https://twitter.com/chasewnelson/status/1438117742209495043 …

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        Chase W. Nelson 倪誠志 @chasewnelson
        Replying to @zeynep
        Here in #Taiwan, we can't find a way to BUY everyone dose 1. In low-income countries, <2% have dose 1. This is where new globe-altering variants will arise.
        8 replies 36 retweets 242 likes
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      6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

        zeynep tufekci Retweeted jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭

        I've no interest in defending patents *but* I believe this belief to be a misunderstanding and a leftover from the HIV fight. Scaling up/transferring vaccine production in a pandemic timescale needs much more than opening up the tech. We didn't do it.https://twitter.com/murchiston/status/1438122674874691591 …

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        jj  ⌛️ 💡 🔭 @murchiston
        Replying to @zeynep
        Vaccine manufacturers may not be able to meet demand, but by open sourcing the vaccines and increasing production to first max out available capacity with a view to building out new plant could change the game from artificial scarcity to positive sum (except for narrow interests)
        10 replies 19 retweets 167 likes
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      7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2021

        It's appealing to believe there is a non-zero sum solution to the global vaccine supply crisis—magical supply increase via waiving patents etc. There is not. Not blaming individuals. Not saying boosters wouldn't help (though clearly some more than others). But reality is reality.

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      1. Cory Smith‏ @politicory 15 Sep 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        Hey hey totally unfair. As you point out it can easily be a negative-sum game

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      2. Lúcás Meier‏ @cronokirby 15 Sep 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        "Vaccine manufacturers respond to demand" implies that the current lack of supply is because of insufficient demand, which doesn't seem to be the case.

        2 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
      3. Robotbeat 🗽 ➐‏ @Robotbeat 15 Sep 2021
        Replying to @cronokirby @zeynep

        No, it’s not. The US solved the supply problem like 6 months ago and we have so much supply that doses are going bad. The reason there isn’t more supply is there isn’t more demand (and the funding & resources that goes with it).

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      2. Scienceflare‏ @scienceflare 15 Sep 2021
        Replying to @zeynep

        Yeah but saying things like "boosters aren't needed cause other countries need the doses more" sounds like conflicted messaging even though it's internally consistent. Seems like the supply issue and the efficacy issue should be addressed on their own terms

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. James Clark‏ @james_clark 15 Sep 2021
        Replying to @scienceflare @zeynep

        Reminds me of: you don’t need N95 masks, because medics need them more.

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