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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Kevin Drum

      This is nonsense (“question” being SARS-CoV-2 as airborne). Chinese scientists did not “just know”—there had been work on this before including, crucially, from SARS. Western establishment tragically lags—but come on. Asian scientists did not figure it out via their sixth sense.https://twitter.com/kdrum/status/1435089995149168644 …

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      Kevin DrumVerified account @kdrum
      Replying to @mattyglesias
      I read a bunch about this a few months ago, and I was sort of astonished at the lack of actual scientific work on the question. It's crazy that Chinese scientists "just know" that viral spreads are airborne and Western scientists "just know" that they aren't.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Sep 2021

      There seems to be this inability to accept that there are other countries which managed things better simply because they were better in the science or in their public health approach. But can we at least look up a few things before dismissing them like this.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      So “as far as I know” is doing a lot of work here, but there is maaaybe this possibility that they had competent scientists and evidence, especially from SARS? I was reading their papers on this in February of 2020. Yeah papers, not “presumption” as in some intiutive Asian thing. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1435060205503631364 …

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Sep 2021

      It’s just not true that there was no real evidence or science on airborne transmission and we then caught up. Matt or Kevin might be unaware (fine!) but let’s please not rewrite history and minimize what actually happened. Asian “sixth sense” isn’t the explanatory variable here.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted

      Matt says he didn't mean it as I interpreted. Okay! Still strongly object to @kdrum's phrasing of sides on this were "just know" against "just know" without actual scientific work. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1435280848899641348 …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Kevin Drum

      It’s actually incredibly difficult to do parts of it, like capturing live virus from the air. Nobody *ever* managed it for measles. Other evidentiary parts have different levels of difficulty, but “model and test” eek no. My jaw just drops when people have opinions so casually.https://twitter.com/kdrum/status/1435090198338039812 …

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      Kevin DrumVerified account @kdrum
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      The part I never got clear on is why this was a difficult question. It doesn't really seem all that hard to model and test for various sizes of viruses.
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        1. got the omichronic‏ @sadpoastingusa 7 Sep 2021
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          “I don’t know anything about it but I don’t know why it would be hard” is just………….

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        1. sedat kapanoğlu‏Verified account @esesci 7 Sep 2021
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          ego is hell of a drug.

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        1. Matt Johnson‏ @MattJohnsonTX 7 Sep 2021
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          I often go back to this article I read NEJM back in 2004. I was interested in it as an architect, but it says a lot about airborne transmissibility of SARS-type viruses.https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa032867 …

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        1. Incognegrito‏ @airrickuu 7 Sep 2021
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          matt ‘the clown’ being wrong & defiant is no surprise here

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        1. Brendan O'Kane‏ @bokane 7 Sep 2021
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          "I'm not a virologist, a microbiologist, a field epidemiologist, a materials science specialist, a public health specialist, a lab researcher, a pulmonologist, a pneumologist, or a physician of any sort, but I thi

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        2. rabagast‏ @rrabagast 7 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          i'm a political blogger with absolutely no idea what i'm talking about but science doesn't really seem all that hard to me.

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        3. rabagast‏ @rrabagast 7 Sep 2021
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          (i am not a political blogger, just to make that clear.)

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        1.  🚲 🚎 🥑‏ @crzwdjk 7 Sep 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          That is definitely hard and part of the problem was Western public health people being unwilling to accept more circumstantial evidence like the restaurant or call center case studies. Or the superspreader choir!

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        1. Laura Henderson‏ @SixandLaura 8 Sep 2021
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          If no one ever measured it for measles why did they make it a requirement to measure for sarscov2 before airborne precautions were recommended. (I know the answer, just asking rhetorically).

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