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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021

      They find effects despite neither reaching universal mask coverage (they can't force, only nudge and they reach 42%) nor having a control with no masking (since would be unethical) *and* being conducted in a much lower-risk setting—rural Bangladesh, few crowded sealed buildings.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021

      They find that, even with a design necessarily biased against finding effects due to statistical power limits and ethical barriers to having a no-mask control group, protective effect of masks is stronger for surgical masks than cloth masks, and significant for the elderly.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021

      Honestly, when the authors told me, I was skeptical it could be done and the design limits would overpower— unavoidable: cluster randomization has limited power especially for overdispersed phenomena and you can't confine people to one village or order controls not to wear masks.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021

      Do note that when you have a study design that really works against being able to detect an effect, the key interpretation is relative—within study. Don't read anyone who doesn't understand statistical power, cluster designs, overdispersion and the ethical limits of controls.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021

      Parts that surprised me: surgical masks retain filtration through many, many washing. Part that did not surprise me, almost nothing the (pre-polled) policy makers thought would work to nudge mask use higher worked. Policy folk and actual human behavior don't talk much, sadly.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021

      Part that doesn't surprise me: people who will conflate what a randomized cluster trial measuring an ecological effect in a real life setting with a randomized *clinical* trial (where we control everything and don't deal with overdispersion and only measure individual benefits).

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    7. Quentin Durand-Moreau, MD‏ @qdurandmoreau 2 Sep 2021
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      This study is absolutely horrific from an ethical and historical standpoint. It should never be published.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021
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      Why? I was super skeptical a study like this could be done, but they did it by doing it ethically and (correctly) sacrificing statistical power. The statistical controls are really weak, to be honest, exactly because it is ethical.

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    9. Quentin Durand-Moreau, MD‏ @qdurandmoreau 2 Sep 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I respectfully, but strongly disagree that it is ethical. It is not.

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    10. Quentin Durand-Moreau, MD‏ @qdurandmoreau 2 Sep 2021
      Replying to @qdurandmoreau @zeynep

      Why this study has not been conducted in communities close by Yale or Standford. Why did they chose Bangladesh. 4.8% of fully vaccinated people. Are there similar studies about HIV prevention with "no-intervention arms"?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Sep 2021
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      Lead author is not just from that country, he has family in the area, and you cannot do cluster-randomized design like this in a city or any urban area or anywhere with a lot of travel. Honestly, barely doable here. And no-intervention isn't withholding anything.

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