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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

      Confirmation. Dr. Lipkin had said in April 2020 he heard about the new disease in *mid-December.* (The revelation was baffling, and some thought one of the world's top virologists would be confused about dates as important as this. Anyway, no). https://www.ft.com/content/6e9b4fe7-b26e-45b9-acbd-2b24d182e914 …pic.twitter.com/5zKaN423zW

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

      People who think this was public info/rumored by mid-December. You're all misremembering. Rumors last week of December, towards the end. ProMED email December 30/31 (timezone). And this time-shift is a huge deal given what we've been told about known cases and knowledge.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

      Officially, there are only five known cases, *including* retrospectively-identified ones, before December 15th. In a city of eleven million. If Chinese scientists were telling Western colleagues about a "new disease" on December 15th—as Dr. Lipkin says—that timeline doesn't work.pic.twitter.com/2VgksHuYou

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Where is Huang Yan Ling?

      Another confirmation. Folks, yes there were earlier *unknown* cases. This is different. This means that by mid-December, there are enough *known* to Chinese scientists cases that they were saying it's a *new disease* to other scientists. Where's this info?https://twitter.com/WhereIsYanLing/status/1432971332032073728 …

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      Where is Huang Yan Ling? @WhereIsYanLing
      Replying to @Ayjchan @zeynep @TheSeeker268
      Gostin also heard about it mid December. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-12/coronavirus-attention-impeachment-primaries-kobe%3f_amp=true … pic.twitter.com/tG6GMO7u2s
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Alina Chan

          More virologists saying they heard about it in early December (but one apparently later saying he misremembered?). It's in Dutch—can't confirm. These are not minor details. I remember every key date in January 2020 and I followed only in personal capacity.https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1432888051806638088 …

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          Alina ChanVerified account @Ayjchan
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          Fouchier and Koopmans said they were the first to know (1st week of Dec according to Fouchier in the interview) but Fouchier later said he was mistaken h/t @TheSeeker268 https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1408839688312561672 …
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

          Lemme try again. YES THERE WERE EARLIER CASES THAT REMAIN UNKNOWN. Stop saying that, please.😀We know that. This is a different question: when were there enough *known* cases of a new disease that Chinese scientists noticed contemporaneously—enough to alert Western colleagues.

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        1. NYCTrader‏ @hanumanpye 1 Sep 2021
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          Ralph Baric was on TWIV Jan 26, 2019 and said first case of Sars Cov2 was on Dec 12th. Time stamp 03:20https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/year-of-the-coronavirus/id1176779065?i=1000463694765 …

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        1. volatrader‏ @volatrader 2 Sep 2021
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          And there is this from the SCMP, which speaks of an "unknown Coronavirus" circulationg on December 16: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back …pic.twitter.com/RFkGQk7eMo

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        1. Laura Henderson‏ @SixandLaura 2 Sep 2021
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        2. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 2 Sep 2021
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          We have very good evidence, based on independent reporting by Chinese outlets that were later suppressed, that the first sequencing of the virus was not done until late December, at which point people noticed the viral RNA was similar to SARS-CoV-1 andhttps://quillette.com/2020/08/24/the-china-syndrome-part-i-outbreak/ …

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        3. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 2 Sep 2021
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          started to suspect that a novel coronavirus might be responsible for recent cases of pneumonia of unknown etiology in Wuhan, so it's overwhelmingly unlikely that anyone, let alone someone in the West, knew that by mid-December. We also have very good evidence that Chinese doctors

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