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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      New Spike Lee documentary about the pandemic opens with Ian Lipkin—Columbia virologist—saying he first heard about the outbreak on *December 15th*. Watched it three times to make sure I heard it right. Lee asks and Lipkin repeats the date. This is a big deal, no? December 15???pic.twitter.com/nE355EALac

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      For context, the WHO report officially has first known case (as told to them by China) as December 8th, and genome being sequenced as December 31st. Dr. Lipkin being told of an *outbreak* of interest or concern in Wuhan on December 15th is a pretty big deal.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chip.Moffatt

      Yeah the ProMed email was out by then. *December 15* 2019 as a known outbreak of concern that virologists outside China are hearing about is a whole different timeline.https://twitter.com/MoffattLawrence/status/1432871620880781312 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Chip.Moffatt @MoffattLawrence
      Replying to @zeynep
      I was fully aware of it by New Years Day just from reading Twitter . I remember asking family if they were aware when we got together for the holiday .
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      Folks. If anyone in China knew this was an outbreak of concern as early as on December 15 enough to tell Western virologists so, everyone needs to re-report everything about the origin timeline. Official timeline—including retrospective search—has no outbreak whatsoever by then. https://twitter.com/blackboxme/status/1432872968103866375 …pic.twitter.com/vokjiG6ojR

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nicholas A. Christakis

      Could “certain communities” please tell us more, and will reporters kindly develop some curiosity about this? This date shift is a really big deal. Anyone who thinks we knew by then is misremembering. Rumors: last days of December. Public email about outbreak: December 31.https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1432875764895133710 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Nicholas A. ChristakisVerified account @NAChristakis
      Replying to @zeynep
      There were American doctors visiting the Wuhan hospital, by chance, in mid-December, and they were aware of an outbreak of uncharacterized pneumonia at the time. This is known in certain communities.
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      I’ll add this here, and the still unexplained discrepancies between the early scientific papers in Jan-Mar 2020 and the later WHO report. The remarkable dearth of good reporting (not the “lab was where the viruses are” type embarrassments!) is so baffling.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/covid-wuhan-outbreak-who/2021/07/15/51e7e8a6-e2c6-11eb-88c5-4fd6382c47cb_story.html …

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Bloom Lab

      And the discrepancies noted here. We simply do not have a clear and consistent timeline of the December 2019 cases that fits the known facts and reports and makes sense. Remarkable since so little is known to begin with!https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1432903935312818178 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Bloom Lab @jbloom_lab
      @zeynep, here are some more interesting early #SARSCov2 dates for you. Check out the description of the samples in the final published version of this paper (https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/71/15/713/5780800 …): "Eight COVID-19 pneumonia samples were collected from hospitals in Wuhan in January 2020." (1/3) https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1432869196216651777 …
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      Hard to square the official timeline with the known facts including, possibly now, there was enough to notice by December 15th—in a city of eleven million—that Chinese scientists told their Western colleagues… Where, then, are the cases? See official timeline in the WHO report.pic.twitter.com/YB9kpGBYfd

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    9. Mike Donovan‏ @mickrev 31 Aug 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      It we knew about it earlier, that would have been great because we could have sat back and done nothing about it for even longer.

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021
      Replying to @mickrev

      This is also tragically true.

      10:07 PM - 31 Aug 2021
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        1. Dave Atkinson‏ @DaveAtkinsonMD 31 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @mickrev

          if we knew this was a lab-originated virus optimized for human ACE2 receptors, we might have appropriately pooped our pants and sprung into action. China was working on a trade deal and some in Trump's admin didn't want to screw it up, but this would have changed the game.

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