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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      New Spike Lee documentary about the pandemic opens with Ian Lipkin—Columbia virologist—saying he first heard about the outbreak on *December 15th*. Watched it three times to make sure I heard it right. Lee asks and Lipkin repeats the date. This is a big deal, no? December 15???pic.twitter.com/nE355EALac

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      For context, the WHO report officially has first known case (as told to them by China) as December 8th, and genome being sequenced as December 31st. Dr. Lipkin being told of an *outbreak* of interest or concern in Wuhan on December 15th is a pretty big deal.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Chip.Moffatt

      Yeah the ProMed email was out by then. *December 15* 2019 as a known outbreak of concern that virologists outside China are hearing about is a whole different timeline.https://twitter.com/MoffattLawrence/status/1432871620880781312 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Chip.Moffatt @MoffattLawrence
      Replying to @zeynep
      I was fully aware of it by New Years Day just from reading Twitter . I remember asking family if they were aware when we got together for the holiday .
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      Folks. If anyone in China knew this was an outbreak of concern as early as on December 15 enough to tell Western virologists so, everyone needs to re-report everything about the origin timeline. Official timeline—including retrospective search—has no outbreak whatsoever by then. https://twitter.com/blackboxme/status/1432872968103866375 …pic.twitter.com/vokjiG6ojR

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nicholas A. Christakis

      Could “certain communities” please tell us more, and will reporters kindly develop some curiosity about this? This date shift is a really big deal. Anyone who thinks we knew by then is misremembering. Rumors: last days of December. Public email about outbreak: December 31.https://twitter.com/NAChristakis/status/1432875764895133710 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Nicholas A. ChristakisVerified account @NAChristakis
      Replying to @zeynep
      There were American doctors visiting the Wuhan hospital, by chance, in mid-December, and they were aware of an outbreak of uncharacterized pneumonia at the time. This is known in certain communities.
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

      I’ll add this here, and the still unexplained discrepancies between the early scientific papers in Jan-Mar 2020 and the later WHO report. The remarkable dearth of good reporting (not the “lab was where the viruses are” type embarrassments!) is so baffling.https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/covid-wuhan-outbreak-who/2021/07/15/51e7e8a6-e2c6-11eb-88c5-4fd6382c47cb_story.html …

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Bloom Lab

          And the discrepancies noted here. We simply do not have a clear and consistent timeline of the December 2019 cases that fits the known facts and reports and makes sense. Remarkable since so little is known to begin with!https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1432903935312818178 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          Bloom Lab @jbloom_lab
          @zeynep, here are some more interesting early #SARSCov2 dates for you. Check out the description of the samples in the final published version of this paper (https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/71/15/713/5780800 …): "Eight COVID-19 pneumonia samples were collected from hospitals in Wuhan in January 2020." (1/3) https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1432869196216651777 …
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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Aug 2021

          Hard to square the official timeline with the known facts including, possibly now, there was enough to notice by December 15th—in a city of eleven million—that Chinese scientists told their Western colleagues… Where, then, are the cases? See official timeline in the WHO report.pic.twitter.com/YB9kpGBYfd

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Sorry messed up threading. Here’s a confirmation that this is what Dr. Lipkin and others had been saying all along. (Bafflingly ignored?). So where are these *known* cases? Total different timeline of known events than official timeline. *Known* contemporaneously is a big deal.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1433056719731576837 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Confirmation. Dr. Lipkin had said in April 2020 he heard about the new disease in *mid-December.* (The revelation was baffling, and some thought one of the world's top virologists would be confused about dates as important as this. Anyway, no). https://www.ft.com/content/6e9b4fe7-b26e-45b9-acbd-2b24d182e914 … pic.twitter.com/5zKaN423zW
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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Adding to thread (I messed up) 😬😁https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1433059912196710400 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          People who think this was public info/rumored by mid-December. You're all misremembering. Rumors last week of December, towards the end. ProMED email December 30/31 (timezone). And this time-shift is a huge deal given what we've been told about known cases and knowledge.
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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          And more.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1433060645616893954 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Officially, there are only five known cases, *including* retrospectively-identified ones, before December 15th. In a city of eleven million. If Chinese scientists were telling Western colleagues about a "new disease" on December 15th—as Dr. Lipkin says—that timeline doesn't work. pic.twitter.com/2VgksHuYou
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        7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Others confirm timeline of contemporaneously *known* cases and news of “new disease” being known and circulated by mid-December. This all contradicts so much of what we’ve been told about what got *known* when by whom.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1433061643219574788 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Another confirmation. Folks, yes there were earlier *unknown* cases. This is different. This means that by mid-December, there are enough *known* to Chinese scientists cases that they were saying it's a *new disease* to other scientists. Where's this info? https://twitter.com/WhereIsYanLing/status/1432971332032073728 …
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        8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2021

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Just adding to thread. Again note the key difference: not that there are unknown earlier cases (never disputed, the usual) but that there were enough known ones, and enough work on this, that by mid-December that Chinese scientists noticed and alerted colleagues to “new disease.”https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1433062966077886464 …

          zeynep tufekci added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          More virologists saying they heard about it in early December (but one apparently later saying he misremembered?). It's in Dutch—can't confirm. These are not minor details. I remember every key date in January 2020 and I followed only in personal capacity. https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1432888051806638088 …
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        1. Pablo 'La Meritocracia Son Los Papás' Tostao‏ @AtTostao 31 Aug 2021
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          ye, sp, paywall.

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        1. Dave Atkinson‏ @DaveAtkinsonMD 31 Aug 2021
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          one good citizen journalist is currently on hunger strike in China. It's hard to do good journalism there, she's paying the price.

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        1. Lizzy‏ @lizzie363 1 Sep 2021
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          The Daily Mail had stories about what was going in Wuhan by Dec 20, 2019. I read them on Dec 25, 2019 because they whole family got Norwalk on the 24th. By Dec 31 it was all over Reddit. 1st week of January our assistant was buying masks to send to her brother in HK.

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