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    1. Trevor‏ @trevorjtweets 22 Aug 2021

      It's not that I oppose opening the door, it's that I oppose the *way* we opened the door. I would simply have gotten all of the bowls out beforehand.pic.twitter.com/Zd99yCj1Vb

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Aug 2021
      Replying to @trevorjtweets @ncweaver

      This is a terrible way to talk about tens of thousands of human beings we’ve abandoned. They’re not just pawns of your domestic policy sensibilities.

      3 replies 4 retweets 40 likes
    3. Trevor‏ @trevorjtweets 22 Aug 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ncweaver

      The analogy is not operating at the level of "bowls = human beings." The argument is that it was never going to be possible to exit in a way that resulted in an orderly transition to a Taliban-led government.

      2 replies 3 retweets 107 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Aug 2021
      Replying to @trevorjtweets @ncweaver

      Orderly transition to Taliban what? That’s not on the agenda. The crisis is over the human beings we’ve abandoned that we could’ve gotten out earlier. Just read up on people’s desperate efforts even this year. The truth is unpleasant to you, maybe, but it’s the truth.

      4 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
    5. Lucia Amuoralzg‏ @Amuoralzg 22 Aug 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @trevorjtweets @ncweaver

      There were commercial flights leaving Afghanistan up until recently; people could have gotten out earlier. Forcibly dragging them out of the country is... probably not what you're advocating for. They should've stripped down the visa processing, sure.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 22 Aug 2021
      Replying to @Amuoralzg @trevorjtweets @ncweaver

      Go away. No they could not. These people have been stuck in deliberate visa hell for years. They had many advocates, many veterans, trying like hell to speed up the process for years. No go. It was policy, and I have no patience left for the willfully callous.

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        2. robin‏ @Crystal_Ball1 22 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Amuoralzg and

          This embassy notice is still up saying SIV flights out will not begin til last week in July and we have confidence the Afghan govt will not fallhttps://af.usembassy.gov/operation-allies-refuge/ …

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        3. lili_pl‏ @lili_pl 22 Aug 2021
          Replying to @Crystal_Ball1 @zeynep and

          the embassy notice is for already citizens, if you are waiting for YOUR VISA, you can't get into a plane!

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        1. w.o.‏ @wowwowza 22 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Amuoralzg and

          The visa hell is a horrible injustice, and a stain on every administration since invasion. Like the bowls, it was a setup for failure. There was no way to exit with all visas processed even if we had delayed a year.

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        1. Oliver‏ @Ol_Wall 23 Aug 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Amuoralzg and

          That seems like an argument for better visa policy, not the bungling of the withdrawal. I don’t think the OP would disagree with you there (I certainly wouldn’t).

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